Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login
The John Byrne Forum
Byrne Robotics > The John Byrne Forum << Prev Page of 16 Next >>
Topic: Just for the X of It Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message
Raj Dhami
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 07 March 2008
Posts: 232
Posted: 26 November 2011 at 9:41am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Love, love, love this piece!

I have my opinion about a few things - i like Wolverine with or without mask modification...with i would prefer because lets face it he's a team player but he still wants / needs to be an individual.

Masks are there for a reason to protect the identity of the person wearing it....to this end, does Nightcrawler really need a mask?  Its not like with the mask his identity is anymore protected than if he was not wearing one.  I can see Masks on all of the others but less so for Nightcrawler imho.  On the other hand, from a team perspective, by removing his mask do you single him as the odd one out...if thats possible in a team of mutants? and therefore demotivate him from the get-go...

Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Grumpy Old Guy

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 133265
Posted: 26 November 2011 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Having Nightcrawler wear a mask might also make it easier for civilians to deal with him.

Altho he started out as SCARY, in GIANT-SIZED X-MEN 1, it did not take long for him to, ah, mutate into a happy-go-lucky character, much as the Thing did in FANTASTIC FOUR. This is a classic example of "standing too close". Writers, artists, fans, tend to forget that no matter how familiar we become with these characters, to someone living in that world coming face to face with Ben or Kurt would still be a shocker.

So, by wearing a mask, Nightcrawler would be sending a subliminal message to people he met -- people he would most likely be trying to help! -- in effect saying "it's okay, I'm not really a demon!"

Or an "elf".

shudder. . .

Back to Top profile | search
 
Brennan Voboril
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 15 January 2011
Posts: 1741
Posted: 26 November 2011 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

JB's reasons for the mask makes a lot of sense.  I liked the very first appearance of Nightcrawler.  The whole elf thing and the making him cute I didn't care for as much (although Cockrum's art on those books is really nice).

X-Men #3's cover is amazing isn't it?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Darran Hight
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 20 November 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 14
Posted: 27 November 2011 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I really liked the dark apperance of Kurt contrasted with his good nature that had been developed over time.

I would really love to see a Hidden Years for the "All New" X-Men too. There has to be some great stories untold for the new team. Such as why they didn't all get the old school uniforms.
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
Richard Stevens
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 04 May 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 1953
Posted: 27 November 2011 at 8:53pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

The arrow on that X-Men cover is so efficient and beautiful as a lettering effect.
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Grumpy Old Guy

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 133265
Posted: 28 November 2011 at 6:27am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I would really love to see a Hidden Years for the "All New" X-Men too. There has to be some great stories untold for the new team. Such as why they didn't all get the old school uniforms.

••

Jim Shooter once said of "untold tales", "If they're so great, why weren't they told before?"

This rather misses the point, but it does underscore the "danger" of "untold tales". Sometimes they can degenerate into pure fan-wank, filling "gaps" that don't really exist (as when Marvel decided there were "missing" issues between AMAZING FANTASY 15 and AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 1) or unnecessarily clutter a character's backstory (as when DC decided it had actually taken Kal-El 100 years to reach Earth).

But sometimes -- rarely -- there really is a "gap" in the history, as with the X-Men. The team's appearances in other parts of the Marvel Universe, while their own book was in reprint limbo, told readers that there were other adventures going on. HIDDEN YEARS showed us some of those adventures.

The All New, All Different X-Men don't have any "gaps" like that -- not unless we resort to shoe-horning in tales between issues, and/or between panels.

Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Grumpy Old Guy

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 133265
Posted: 28 November 2011 at 6:31am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

The arrow on that X-Men cover is so efficient and beautiful as a lettering effect.

••

One of the things I love about that cover is the unabashed hyperbole. That lower right blurb, declaring the X-Men to have "taken America by storm!" Back in those days, it took as much as a year to gather all the sales figures (which is why it so often took eleven issues for a book to get canceled), so as of the third issue, five months into the run, Marvel wouldn't really have any sort of fix yet on how the book was selling.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Vinny Valenti
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 8113
Posted: 28 November 2011 at 6:36am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Besides, that role was already filled by CLASSIC X-MEN, with new backup
tales told in the past, and yes, even new panels shoehorned into existing
pages (even as a kid that bugged me to no end - especially in the issues
that reprinted the second battle with Magneto from UXM#112-113 -
Claremont inserted panels of Magneto beginning to doubt his evil
intentions, which was directly at odds with the other panels. Not to mention
that some of the original panels had thought balloons added and changed
to attempt to give an impression that Magneto was intended to turn good
all along).
Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Grumpy Old Guy

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 133265
Posted: 28 November 2011 at 11:25am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Besides, that role was already filled by CLASSIC X-MEN, with new backup tales told in the past, and yes, even new panels shoehorned into existing pages (even as a kid that bugged me to no end - especially in the issues that reprinted the second battle with Magneto from UXM#112-113 - Claremont inserted panels of Magneto beginning to doubt his evil intentions, which was directly at odds with the other panels. Not to mention that some of the original panels had thought balloons added and changed to attempt to give an impression that Magneto was intended to turn good all along).

••

Which hardcore X-fans embraced without hesitation -- while at the same time (well, a few years later, actually) blasting me for having the original X-Men meet Ororo because "that has never been mentioned, so it didn't happen!"

Typically, retcons are allowed only when they are allowed!

Of all Chris' sins as Chief Shaper of the X-Men, the way he mucked about with Magneto will, to me, always stand as the worst. It so clearly and distinctly contradicted Stan and Jack's version of the character.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Valmor J. Pedretti
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 14 October 2011
Location: Brazil
Posts: 786
Posted: 28 November 2011 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Should we call that Vader Syndrome, maybe?

- Deep, deep inside, he's not that evil -

Since I stopped reading new Marvel comics in 2006, have they done this to Dr. Doom already? Has he joined the Avengers maybe?

(sigh)
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
Vinny Valenti
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 8113
Posted: 28 November 2011 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

The retro-edits in CLASSIC X-MEN definitely seemed Lucas-esque so your analogy is a good one, Valmor.

To me, it felt like somebody planting evidence at a crime scene after the crime has occurred in order to alter the outcome of a trial.
Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Grumpy Old Guy

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 133265
Posted: 28 November 2011 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Chris has never had much in the way of respect for continuity -- not even his own! Recall Betsy and Amanda being "revealed" as witches.

Part of the problem -- if it is a problem, since X-Fans seemed to love it -- lies in his not have read the early issues until late in his "formative years" as X-Scribe. Close to when I left the book, in fact. This was why Roger Stern (as editor) and I (as co-conspirator) would be constantly having to tell him he could not do thus-and-such a thing he wanted to. Which usually meant he'd find a way to do it in a book over which neither Rog nor I had any control. His complete revision of Jean Gray's backstory, for instance -- which, of course, became canon, as reflected in the X-Movies.

Speaking of the movies, people keep telling me FIRST CLASS is really good and really the best X-Men movie yet -- but there's no way I could ever watch it. Just from the trailers I can tell there's WAY to much Christory in it!

Back to Top profile | search
 

<< Prev Page of 16 Next >>
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login