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Tony Midyett
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This character and Zatanna were both "gutted" by being
"improved" by later "designers" who took away the
fishnets and turned them into interchangeable,
forgetable, "generic" characters.
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I believe that Zatanna's second costume was designed by
George Perez. If folks are really into the fishnets and
top hat look, I can understand their being upset with the
change, but as for me, I like the Perez one. The first
time I ever saw the character, she was in the Perez
costume, and drawn by the Great George his own self!
Plus, did you see the way Alan Davis drew her in "Another
Nail"? Spectacular! The blue and white one really does
work, if you give it a chance. As for the Black Canary
one with all the white on it, I'm "meh" about it. It'd
probably be fine for another heroine, but not for the
Canary.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 22 November 2011 at 6:16am | IP Logged | 2
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Um, I like fishnets, but only on girls. Just clarifying. •• THAT'S what was missing from the bare-shouldered Cosmic Boy outfit!
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Brad Brickley
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Um, I like fishnets, but only on girls. Just clarifying.•• THAT'S what was missing from the bare-shouldered Cosmic Boy outfit!
*** I didn't think that the idea that outfit could get worse, but JB proved it wrong.
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Valmor J. Pedretti
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Man, Dinah should never got into show business:
Freaking DC ideas! Look at her now!!!
Edited by Valmor J. Pedretti on 03 December 2011 at 3:54pm
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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 03 December 2011 at 6:19am | IP Logged | 5
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Plus, did you see the way Alan Davis drew her in "Another
Nail"? Spectacular!
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Well, Alan Davis and his magic drawing pencil can make almost any
outfit look good! He and JB have the mutant ability to make any
character look "right" when drawn by them.
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Kip Lewis
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Heard that the stocking is hard to draw; is it?
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Thomas Moudry
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| Posted: 03 December 2011 at 7:31am | IP Logged | 7
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Zatanna had a second costume before George Perez's design, which was
meant to correct the travesty the was said second costume:
Edited by Thomas Moudry on 03 December 2011 at 10:32am
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Thomas Moudry
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| Posted: 03 December 2011 at 7:35am | IP Logged | 8
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Here's a better shot of that awful costume:
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Matt Hawes
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| Posted: 03 December 2011 at 9:54am | IP Logged | 9
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Ross Andru really did draw a great Superman!
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Thomas Moudry
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Indeed, he did, Matt. I especially loved Ross Andru inked by Dick Giordano
on a lot of covers--particularly Superman-related covers--of that late-'70s
vintage.
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John Byrne
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There is an old saying, which touches on a very serious subject: "When you take away the customs, culture and religion of a people, we better replace it with something of value."I wish, on a more frivolous topic, some similar thought could be applied to changing a character's costume! (Mind you, I am sure whoever designed the poor replacements for various outfits over the years, including Black Canary's and Zatanna's, really DID think what they put there instead was "something of value".)
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Thomas Moudry
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I've wondered if the Zatanna's costume change in JLA #161 reflected the
desire to make her look "more like a super-hero" or some such nonsense
since she was officially joining the World's Greatest Super-Heroes. No
matter the reason, it was one ugly costume.
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