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Bill Mimbu
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Killing Sue Dibny.
Edited by Bill Mimbu on 19 September 2011 at 11:42pm
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Michael Lee
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Bill - that was wrong on SO MANY levels.
Edited by Michael Lee on 19 September 2011 at 11:54pm
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Tony Midyett
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The big one for me is "Hank Pym, wife beater". He slapped his wife once, not hundreds of times, and the whole silly storyline was later ret-conned so that he was under some kind of mind control from a villain, so how is it that he is still constantly referred to as a "wife-beater"? Hasn't every super-hero committed violence under super-villain mind control in at least one story?
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Steven McCauley
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I've stated this before -- Superman as government stooge, which I first remember seeing in Dark Knight Returns.
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John Byrne
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Dark Knight Returns First of all, I don't see it as an indication that Batman has mental issues… •• But that IS what Frank intended. Remember, Bruce Wayne, as an intensely traumatized child, swore at his parent's grave that he would spend the rest of his life warring on crime. When we see him in DKR, he has retired (under duress, as it is later revealed), violating that oath. Doing that has pushed him over the edge.
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Steven McCauley
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One of the others is the rhyming Demon. It gets really tiresome when he is in a story. That is why I LOVED Blood of the Demon.
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Kip Lewis
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Demon in the Bottle--if that was dropped after a single story, that
would have been misunderstanding the original issue. Alcoholism is
never a one time event; it is life long. And don't think life long
soberity without any relapses is possible. To say the story should
never have been told, is a different thing, but once introduced, it can't
be ignored.
Hank slapping Jan--yeah, but I wonder how much of those future
stories came from a very prevalent belief that no one slaps a wife
once. It is either an ongoing issue or never happens. There is no
such thing as a "one time mistake." I wish it never happened, or he
did it because Kang or Egghead messed with his mind. Since the
thread is, misunderstood stories, not "stories I wish never happened",
I can only partially include this.
Dark Knight and Wolverine regenerating from a drop are the two best
examples I think. Though I wonder if DK is people misunderstanding
or just a reflection of the cynical 80s that prefered and intentionally
choose DK. That is, there was no misunderstanding of FM's intent,
they just didn't care. They wanted dark.
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John Byrne
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When it comes to misunderstanding a character, you could take just about everything done with Etrigan after Kirby.In the Demon, Jack created something we actually had not seen before in comics -- a demon transformed into a human being, that human being over time developing his own personality and wishing to be "freed" from the Demon. Took about eight seconds after Kirby left for Jason Blood to become a man possessed by a demon. How staggeringly unoriginal!! The rhyming thing was, of course, just a bunch of Lit. Majors jerking off.
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Brad Krawchuk
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Took about eight seconds after Kirby left for Jason Blood to become a man possessed by a demon. How staggeringly unoriginal!!
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This is the number 1 reason I won't be back for the second issue of the new Demon Knights series DC is putting out. On page 5 or 6, Merlin takes a trapped Etrigan and slaps him together with his assistant, Jason. I did read the rest of the issue, but I put it down and immediately said "not for me." Completely missed the point of Kirby!
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Colin Fawcett
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I'm not sure if this really counts as a misunderstanding but I've always disliked the Punisher character outside of his first few appearances. I think he works fine as an interesting Spider-Man villain but as a hero (even an anti-hero) I find the character fairly repugnant. Rather than seeing him as a man mentally broken by tragic circumstances later interpretations seem to indicate that Castle had "the right idea".
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Aaron Smith
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Dark Knight Returns First of all, I don't see it as an indication that Batman has mental issues… •• But that IS what Frank intended. Remember, Bruce Wayne, as an intensely traumatized child, swore at his parent's grave that he would spend the rest of his life warring on crime. When we see him in DKR, he has retired (under duress, as it is later revealed), violating that oath. Doing that has pushed him over the edge. *** Yes, and in that context his state of mind in Miller's work makes sense. My problem with it is the influence it's had which has led to some stories where Batman, years before DKR takes place, in stories in regular continuity, seems to be on the verge of falling over that edge. This semi-insane Batman, far from retirement age, is certainly not the Batman I've seen in the hundreds of stories before DKR, and the better Batman stories post-DKR, such as BATMAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA.
Edited by Aaron Smith on 20 September 2011 at 6:40am
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Tony Midyett
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@ Kip: I knew that someone would misconstrue what I said---I should not have bothered to post, I s'pose. <sigh> I was not suggesting that it's cool to slap one's wife, but it is relevant that the story made it quite clear that it was indeed a one time thing. Every series of beatings must begin with one beating, yes, so "first" need not mean "first in a series", right? I personally think that it was a horrible idea to write a superHERO as being a guy who would EVER hit his wife, even if the original intent of the story had been about super-villain mind control. Having said all that, the topic at hand is not "stuff I wish had never happened" (as you yourself point out), it is "misunderstandings", and I firmly stand by my assertion that the 30-year-long labeling of Hank as a "wife beater" is a misunderstanding of, at the very least, the significance of the ret-con and the fact that he never did it a second time, AND more importantly, a misunderstanding of his "mental instability". The "instability" thing came from that silly Yellowjacket mess, which was (despite what literary giant Kurt Busiek might tell us), not the cleverest take ever on ol' Hank.
Edited by Tony Midyett on 20 September 2011 at 6:43am
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