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Tony Midyett
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I love how Ron Frenz channeled Steve Ditko when he was on the Spider-Man book, and then channeled Kirby when he was on Thor. That guy rocks. He really kicks it, old school.
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Ronald Joseph
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Always loved this one... 
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Martin Redmond
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They're all better with the original coloring. Most recolors look like they have no clue what they're doing. Maybe the recolorists have no control, I might be unfair, idk, but it looks awful. All the mood from the original is gone. Even if the choices were limited, some colorists knew which hue and tone to choose for the right situation. edit: I love that X-Men vs Sentinels issue on XMas so much. As much as I dislike Storm's original costume, Cockrum makes me love it. Her cape is drawn so nice, it's untrue and there's just something about that issue as if every panel was the most important panel ever drawn.
Edited by Martin Redmond on 17 October 2011 at 4:44pm
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Tony Midyett
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I have come to dislike modern comics coloring so much that I wish they'd just print the damn things in black and white. They'd be cheaper, if nothing else. And some old school artists are such great drafstmen that they look better in b&w anyway...just check out the Showcase and Essentials books.
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Aaron Smith
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On the subject of coloring, since I've spent most of my comics reading time over the past few years catching up on old stuff through Essentials and Showcases, I'm seeing many of these panels in color for the first time.
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Valmor J. Pedretti
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The Legends' version of Batman with the black cape/boots/gloves always struck me as one of the greatest! Huge impact on me as a kid!
Edited by Valmor J. Pedretti on 17 October 2011 at 7:28pm
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Chad Carter
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Tony M: early in that Thor run, Frenz does a complete John Buscema imitation (as in that panel I posted.) Then, when Joe Sinnott jumps on the book, he goes into Kirby mode and blows the doors off everything that was coming out from Marvel in that time period. And I say this, not even a Thor fan. That comic run is overlooked and way underrated.
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Tony Midyett
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^ Yeah, you're right---I hadn't thought about it, but pre-Sinnott, he was channeling J. Buscema! That run is really awesome. I am not generally a fan of Tom DeFalco's writing, but I like his work when he's teamed with Frenz....is it possible they had a Claremont/Byrne thing going on, with the artist essentially writing the book, and the writer just filling in word balloons?
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John Byrne
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There's been another recent discussion of how the penchant of some colorists/separators to knock out blacks with color -- often LIGHT color! -- reduces the power of the image.I'll borrow that THOR double spread for a somewhat quick and dirty illustration of the point. . . 
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Brennan Voboril
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Again the example shows just how horrible this knocking out of the blacks is. Makes me wonder what the colorists who do it see that I don't. Black makes it POP and the knocking out of the black makes it seem dirty and washed out.
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Keith Thomas
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Always liked this Loki from New Mutants SE 1 
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Chad Carter
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