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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 6:58pm | IP Logged | 1
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There's no reason to think that a writer couldn't draw a comic. It might look good, but they could still do it.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | 2
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You need both story and art or there's no comic book. You need someone gifted in each of those crafts. That can be or not the same person but each are as important. When an artist plot a story he does the job of a writer and becomes a writer. When he writes the dialogue too he is a writer. Given that some people aren't giften (and lot of them not even trained) to create a story you ever have to get a writer who is a different person or you can't have a decent comic. Each are as important.
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | 3
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The skill sets of the two are quite disproportionate. I don't think the inverse applies here. Especially considering that comic book artists, by nature of BEING comic book artists are storytellers. People who are storytellers with words only cannot make a passable comic book.
It sounds cute when you flip it around like that, but when you actually look at it, no. I can't agree.
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:08pm | IP Logged | 4
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Once again, a writer who only writes cannot make a comic book then.
Writers control their own domain when they write prose (of which there is a LOT in this world). Why is there this stubborn insistence that they're the "story", or at least AS important as an artist in a visual medium?
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | 5
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The essential in a comic book is to tell a story, if there's no good or at least decent story there's no professional comic book worth of that name. A script without pictures is an incomplete comic book, given it is writen to be illustrated, You can argue that a comic book without a decent story is complete even if mediocre or worse than mediocre, but that simply means that something essential is missing.
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | 6
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-Comic book art IS story. In comic books, "story" doesn't just mean writing. I repeat. In comic books "story" doesn't just mean writing.
-Script doesn't have to come first. If at ALL.
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | 7
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Who WROTE this?
Looks to me like absolutely nothing was written. Yet it was drawn and we have a story.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:29pm | IP Logged | 8
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-Comic book art is story but to be a decent story it needs a decent writer or if you preffer dreamer and story architect. Comic book is sequential art. And even in a painting, which isn't sequential if it tells a story in one pic you needs a dreamer/architect. -Reread my posts. It is a question of story structure and of plot, not of script. Script is only a mean to put in shape and/or to communicate a story. If the writer us the same person as the artist and has a disciplinate mind, it can be unnecessary to write a script.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 15 September 2011 at 7:31pm
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | 9
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Rendering comic book writers as great! But... once again, not essential to the medium.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | 10
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Because you don't take in consideration that a good or at least decent story is essential. If the artist can do a decent story he is also a writer. If he can't, he needs one.
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | 11
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Who WROTE this?
Looks to me like absolutely nothing was written. Yet it was drawn and we have a story. *** Bill Waterson did. He was the writer and artist of Calvin and Hobbes. JT, you seem to be somehow defining "writing" as something other than simply the creation of a story, as if it NEEDS to involve a written script or actual words being put on paper for it to count as writing.
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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Writers control their own domain when they write prose (of which there is a LOT in this world). Why is there this stubborn insistence that they're the "story", or at least AS important as an artist in a visual medium? *** But I don't see anybody here arguing that, or debating who's more important. All Stephane is saying, as far as I can see, is that STORY is essential, which means writing is a neccesary part of the process of creating a comic story, regardless of whether the writer and artist are two seperate people or one and the same.
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