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JT Molloy
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 3:13pm | IP Logged | 1  

I asked this question to some friends on facebook in a Note.

I said that the best collaborator would be the creator's own self. No mix-up in dialogue or captioning. No wrong facial expressions. No having to conform the art to a script.

After lots of "Artists and writers are equally important", I really had to argue down to the bare bones which is what my first question was.

Are they essential?

I think in all the celebrity-writer, comparing it to film/TV, this and that going on in the "mainstream" comics circles, people have forgotten one simple fact. A fact that seems to anger a lot of people for some reason.

A comic book can be done by one person. If that person can only write and not draw, then you can't have a comic book can you?


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A lousy writer can ruin a comic for me, easily. I can think of several writers I won't buy no matter who's drawing it.

Inversely, I can think of several artists who aren't as interesting when they're doing a comic by themselves.

Luckily, most of the artists I like long term tend to pair up with good or decent writers or they can save a really dull story.



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Of course a writer is essential if you're going to have a story. It's just that in comics there are those who fill the role of both artist and writer. A comic by John Byrne or Will Eisner or Carl Barks or Stan Sakai or Frank Miller doesn't lack a writer, the creator simply fills both pairs of shoes.   
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What is essential is that the writer has a story to tell, that the writer is or not the same person as the artist is anecdotic.
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First off - I said "comic book writer". That's what I said.

The word "story" was used in all 3 posts as if that means "written story". In comic books I'd argue the art is more a story than anything typed out is. Stephane, you seem to think that it always goes script first. It doesn't. An artist can get something out of their head first and go from there. Not writing anything til later. Still a story isn't it?

When an artist/writer does a comic book, they're not really a writer or an artist are they? They're... a comicbook-er. There needs to be a term for it because I think comic books as a medium are complex enough to warrant one.

Think of a comic strip like Calvin and Hobbes. Did Bill Watterson sit in front of a typewriter and write to format "ENT- CALVIN FROM LEFT" or did he draw it all out knowing what he was going to say and fill in some words later? I mean, I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet the second one.
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Mikael Bergkvist
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Not if you look at it historically, no. A lot of brilliant comics has been done by a single person. Most of them, actually.
But I would argue that a good editor is..
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No argument from me on that one Mikael!

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Comicbooks are about telling stories. If an artist just lays down a load of pretty art without telling a story he has failed. I would define that as you need a writer... the person who creates the story. That can be the same person as the artist of course and it doesn't mean they have to write out a script first, but they are still writing a story no matter how instinctive, quick or internalised the process is.
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Cartoonist, or creator.
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What Peter just said is precisely what I meant in my post. "Writing," as far as I'm concerned, doesn't neccesarily mean actually putting a story down in a script or a typed description.
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 JT,

I don't imply the necessity of a writen script, but the structure and matter of a story needs to be there to use as a guideline for the art or you just get senseless (most of the time action) scenes. Now i can imagine a writer/artist who thinks first of scenes, does the layouts for them,  and only in a second time build a story. I hope he would have more than just action scenes, maybe some deep, moving, full of signification scenes.

Yet, even with this method, even if he draws preliminary art before having built the full story, that doesn't mean that he isn't a writer.

The Anglo-saxon world has that word of "story-teller", used to describe lot of different things, particularly in comics: plot, words, art... But all those things have a comon objective: To build and tell a story.

You ask if the writer is necessary. To build a story is necessary, to do more than action scenes is necessary, if you don't like the word writer, then use the words plotter and dialoguist. To have a plot is absolutely necessary, to have dialogues is almost always better than doing silent issues after silent issues, excepted if silent issues are part of the series concept. Frankly  i'm not covinced that so many creators would be abble to keep such a concept  interesting for long.

Keeping all this in mind i will say that even silent issues have a writer, because by writer i mean the architect of the story way more than the guy who put the ink on the paper, who writes the words. The dreamer, not the secretary. If this writer/dreamer/architect has a clear (and disciplinate) mind he can, i suppose, directly layout the whole story has he has it in his head without even put a drop of in on the paper, without writing a word. But the words, the ideas are in his mind, he knows what he does.

 

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I thought I was pretty clear what I meant by writer uptop.

I posit that they are not essential to the medium given that art is what defines comic books.

The whole "what is a writer, really?" in this instance just proves my point more. Why do people get so worked up over this? Is there some great soul crushing shame in admitting as a writer for literature based in sequential art that you're just not needed if the author is talented and competent enough to tackle all aspects of storytelling required?

There's no mailce intended in any of this by the way. I do have favorite writers and collaborators. I'm really just curious as to why a comic book writer would stake a claim to importance (often moreso than the artists, which is insane), when it all comes down to it, they're not required in the same way a writer would be for a novel.


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