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Eric White
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Shooter has had problems with almost everyone he worked with while he was the EIC of Marvel. And it's hard to take credit for the success of the 80's Marvel when you had the best talent working there and the direct market kicking into full gear at the same time.
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And it's too bad Captain America got caught up in Shooter's games...... it was shaping up to be an incredible run....... hell, even the Comics Journal gave it a positive review! lol
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…even the Comics Journal gave it a positive review!

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A somewhat backhanded one, as I recall.

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How did the SECRET WARS mini series fit in with Shooter's own rules? What about other comics he wrote at the time?


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The one he defined as "I must, but I must not!" That became the ONLY "conflict" that was acceptable, and writers began jumping thru the most amazing and ridiculous hoops to try to force that particular kind of "conflict" into EVERY STORY.

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I think it was in the book MEN OF TOMORROW, a history of the Golden Age of comics, I read about an editor that insisted the third panel of every story featured a big explosion!  No matter what type of story it was, third panel = explosion!  Weird.
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How did the SECRET WARS mini series fit in with Shooter's own rules? What about other comics he wrote at the time?

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SECRET WARS contained one of the most blatant examples of how Shoot "obeyed" his own rules.

A standing complaint he had was when we'd have a big shot of the villain on the last page. "That just turns the last page into an ad for the next issue!" he said. (I could never figure out why that was a BAD thing!)

In SECRET WARS, he had the Beyonder scoop Galactus off to his planet, as one of the "villains" (despite my having spent two years -- at Shooter's order! -- establishing in FANTASTIC FOUR that Galactus was NOT a "villain") and spend a few issues lying unconscious. Finally, Galactus stirred, rose, and began to move…

Which any artist worth his salt would have portrayed with a splash of Galactus, well, stirring, rising, and beginning to move! That, however, was forbidden by Shooter, so instead Zeck was forced to draw one of the other characters, in the last panel of a multi-panel page, running in shouting "Galactus is on the move!"

Yeah! That's how KIRBY would have done it!

(Two things Shooter forbade -- but we sometimes did anyway -- was big shots of the villain on the last page, and broken or obscured logos. Is it sheer happenstance, I wonder, that the two best selling issues of FF I did during my run as writer/artist, aside from the X-Skrulls, were the ones that introduced Terminus -- the first of which ended with a splash of the villain, and the second of which had a broken logo?)

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Revisiting SECRET WARS as an adult was nothing short of a jarring experience.  I can't think of a comic series produced between 1961 and 1991 in which the characters were so blatantly written out of character.  I kept thinking, "this guy was the editor in chief?!?!?!"
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Revisiting SECRET WARS as an adult was nothing short of a jarring experience.  I can't think of a comic series produced between 1961 and 1991 in which the characters were so blatantly written out of character.  I kept thinking, "this guy was the editor in chief?!?!?!"

But hey - we got Spider-Man's black costume out of it! :)

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Which any artist worth his salt would have portrayed with a splash of Galactus, well, stirring, rising, and beginning to move! That, however, was forbidden by Shooter, so instead Zeck was forced to draw one of the other characters, in the last panel of a multi-panel page, running in shouting "Galactus is on the move!"

Yeah! That's how KIRBY would have done it!

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I'm reminded of Mike Zeck's great line, after being asked why Shooter had him redraw part of Secret Wars.

"Because it wasn't dull enough."

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…even the Comics Journal gave it a positive review!

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A somewhat backhanded one, as I recall.


Could be......I'll have to dig it out and take a look......... it's been a long time since I read it.

But to those of us reading Captain America at the time, it blew away about the last 70 issues! Thank you for that.
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 JB wrote:
Yeah! That's how KIRBY would have done it!

I just had this brief vision of what SECRET WARS would've been like if Kirby drew it.

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I ran thru a few of those comments on Shooter's blog. I'm truly surprised ( if it's true) what Gruenwald had to say about Carlin.
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