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Dave Kopperman
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I thought mutations worked more like some random change happens that THEN proves to be beneficial, so it has staying power.
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Joe: Keeping me up at night:
A ‘mutation’ should be an ‘answer’ to an evolutionary’problem’?

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Your thinking of mutations that "breed through" by natural selection.

Lots of mutations are occurring throughout the world, but very very few are ever useful advances.

Professor X and Jean Grey's mutations would possibly be the kind that would advance the species to a new level. Cyclops' eye-blasts, not so much.
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Mutations in the real world fall mainly into three categories: positive, negative, benign. Negative mutations most often kill the “recipient”, but sometimes they can just be inconvenient.
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So at any point and time when Scott is wearing the glasses (with his eyes open) instead of the visor, the concussive blasts are shooting for the short distance between his pupils and the lenses of the glasses. 
Yikes.
I've always been a fan of the premise of the X-Men, I just think it's bullet proof as far as continuing narratives go, but the dual fact that the powers just came to them and that they were a problem to be managed, some with no solution (learn to succeed despite your limitations), was just the cat's meow to my teenaged brain. 
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Was the head injury  that prevented Scott from controlling his powers (from the plane crash) a Claremont retcon?

It would be fun to see a what if story where Scott has control of his powers and we see him without the glasses/visor.
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Jean, I'm not sure if my memory is correct on this, but I think the plane crash was added by Roy Thomas (or Arnold Drake?) when Havok was introduced as Scott's brother. I do know that the Shi'ar kidnapping the parents was added later by Claremont.

Edited: Ok, it looks like the plane crash was first mentioned in "Uncanny X-Men" #144, so that would be Chris Claremont and during Dave Cockrum's second tenure on the title. A few years back, I reread all the issues of Uncanny X-Men in a short period, which is why I likely was confused if it was mentioned earlier than that issue.




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Nope!
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Ah...! Thanks, Vinny!


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And then his parents got abducted by a space ship from the galactic empire his professor's girlfriend would later rule!
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The Universe is smaller than you think!
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Thanks guys!

I do find Claremont added some texture and depth to his comics by adding cool details and connections like this...but he would often go too far (everyone is related or in love or has powers...).

JB did a good job of reining him in. As did the great (again underrated as an editor) Roger Stern.
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 QUOTE:
I thought mutations worked more like some random change happens that THEN proves to be beneficial, so it has staying power.

A mutation can be thought of as nothing more than a copying mistake in DNA.

Evolution is a numbers game, so as you say, if the random mutation gives an incremental benefit, once you go through enough generations, you should start to see increased numbers amongst a population who possess the benefit. Given enough time, the mutation becomes the norm. Then you may see another mutation that builds on or works with the mutation. Given more time, a beneficial such mutation once again becomes the norm, and so on, so that across very large spans of time very complex adaptations are possible.

A single step mutation like Cyclops' power is not realistic, of course, but that's OK. It's not the real world!

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