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David Miller
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Even though resurrecting Jean Grey was terrible in many ways, at least it put a stop to the utter creepiness of Scott marrying someone who looked exactly like his dead lover, which Claremont unconvincingly tried to characterize as something healthy. The Mister Sinister clone stuff made way more sense than the idea any sane woman would marry a man under such circumstances.
Edited by David Miller on 20 March 2025 at 3:36am
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Vinny Valenti
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Interesting point. In a meta moment, Claremont had Carol Danvers blasting the Avengers for letting her waltz away with the son of Immortus that she gave birth to (admittedly a horrible story in AVENGERS#200).
But in his own book, he created a woman that somehow accepts a man wanting to marry her despite the fact that she is supposedly(*) a dead ringer for his dead fiancé, and not because of it, and within just a couple of months of meeting her, to boot. He really rushed the whole thing (7 issues between meeting and marriage, versus the 100+ issues of courtship with Jean), which made it even more creepy. I started reading comics right in the middle of this, and even 10 year old me didn't quite get why they were acting like this.
*I agree that Paul Smith's Madelyne looked nothing like Jean, so I was confused by the whole thing as well.
Edited by Vinny Valenti on 21 March 2025 at 12:38pm
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Michael Penn
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It's astonishing the chaotic explosion that followed JB's departure from THE X-MEN. The original team retained their core and core continuity and core concept for seven years. Pretty much the same with the all-new team. Once he left, though...
John Byrne could rightly declare: après moi, le déluge!
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 21 March 2025 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | 4
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"L'équipe, c'est moi."
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 21 March 2025 at 3:25pm | IP Logged | 5
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I agree that Paul Smith's Madelyne looked nothing like Jean, so I was confused by the whole thing as well.••• Much as I admire Smitty’s skills as an artist, he is firmly in the “this is how I do it” camp.
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 21 March 2025 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 6
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Other than reading GSXM 1 in the X-MEN SPECIAL EDITION book ( which I
have no idea how I even got), I never knew anything about Jean when I
started reading X-MEN with 172. My introduction to all that was thru Smith’s
pencil.
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John Byrne
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What an appalling time to “meet” the character.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 21 March 2025 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 8
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One of the great healing properties of "Elsewhen" was having such a wonderful return for Jean Grey. The REAL Jean Grey walked again and -- considering what had happened to her - that is some kind of miracle.
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James Woodcock
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As with others, no disparaging of Paul Smith’s ability.
But when that first panel of Madelyne was published, as a major cliff
hanger, my brothers and I had a good debate as to who it actually was.
We landed on Jean purely because it was a cliff hanger and she had red
hair. But she looked nothing like Jean so we decided to wait for
confirmation.
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Athanasios Kollias
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I consider Madelyne one of the most ridiculous and non-sensical stories Claremont ever wrote. All the evidence to links to Jean/Phoenix (the date she survived the crash, that she knew details about Scott she coudn't have known, that not only did she look exactly like Jean but sounded like her as well etc) were forgotten from one issue to the next, Scott married her in, what, a couple of months, The damage to the character of Scott was immesurable. The fact that for some reason Madelyne was supposedly the end-game for Scoot was hypocritical. I am pretty sure the only reason Claremont didn't like JB's Jean rebirth was that it messed his own plans, which I imagine would have been brought to play waaaay later...
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 22 March 2025 at 1:09pm | IP Logged | 11
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Scott married her within a few issues.
I know this wasn’t the intent, but in comic time, that generally amounts to a
few days!
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 22 March 2025 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | 12
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One of the lesser battles I had with Chris was over his insistence on playing the books in real time. An early example was Colleen Wing being captured—and tortured—by Angar the Screamer. It took 9 issues of Iron Fist’s twice quarterly book to tell that story, and Chris maintained that represented a year of real time.
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