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Moyer Hall
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Posted: 15 June 2011 at 8:16am | IP Logged | 1  

I just don't get what is going on in their genius marketing heads. So "new" fans now have to kinda sorta have to keep track on what did and didn't happen in the past. Total nonsense. They are stating that this is the DC universe at about five years old, but yet there are still FOUR robins out there. With two of them as adults, one as an older teen, and the other as a ten year old boy. Reeeeaaaalllll easy to follow….
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 Stephen Robinson wrote:
How many new readers have even bought "The Killing Joke"?


My experience at a comic shop is that The Killing Joke and even A Death in the Family are very evergreen Batman collections. Batman graphic novels sell very well and are one of the rare cases where feature films of a superhero definitely send moviegoers scurrying for the comics.

For better or worse, many people have bought and read these stories in recent years. And even though I have issues with them, I've often pointed people to them as seminal Joker stories. Their darker edge is very much what readers (mostly late teens and up I should note) are seeking.

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For me the make or break would be how much crossover effect there will be.  Do I have to read all the Superman titles to follow what's going on in the Perez and Morrison Superman titles?  Are Legion Lost and the Legion of Super Heores interwoven?  How about all the Batman titles?  There are few of these new #1s I wouldn't mind reading as stand alones on a monthly basis, but I don't have the time or energy to juggle a plethora of titles to ge the "whole" story.
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Hmm, given that I think the point of this is to create a digital audience,
I wonder how well the digital market handles crossovers?

Oh, my LCS says one thing about returning all books to issue one, is
that it will make things easier with new readers. When new readers
come into the story; they simply cannot get how Action 956 is part one
of a story (or a whole story). They see the higher number and unless
someone explains things, they walk away from it.

(Makes a little sense if readers come from a manga background where
you cannot start on book 50, it is all "to be continues" and you need
the old books to follow the new ones.)

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Hmm, given that I think the point of this is to create a digital audience,
I wonder how well the digital market handles crossovers?

Oh, my LCS says one thing about returning all books to issue one, is
that it will make things easier with new readers. When new readers
come into the story; they simply cannot get how Action 956 is part one
of a story (or a whole story). They see the higher number and unless
someone explains things, they may walk away from it.

(Makes a little sense if readers come from a manga background where
you cannot start on book 50, it is all "to be continues" and you need
the old books to follow the new ones.)

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Tim Cousar
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Posted: 15 June 2011 at 10:06am | IP Logged | 6  

Why not just drop issue numbers and have the story title and part number on the cover?
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Kip Lewis
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Aren't numbers required by the Post Office?

(And even though M/DC don't care, it would make the back issue
market very difficult.)

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Moyer Hall
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Interesting Survey on what readers say they are going to pick up. 
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My two cents:

I think Power Girl, the JSA, and the Marvel Family will be relegated to
their own earths, as I believe the multiverse is still intact and they have
already been shown as having their own earths. Makes sense, when
DC went to one earth, they worked hard to have everybody on it.
When they went back to a multiverse and reestablished Earth-2,
Earth-4, and Earth-5, I think they realized they didn't need two
versions of each. I agree. Captain Marvel should either be on his own
earth or on a shared earth, but not on both. Hopefully, this means
Ted Kord is alive and well on Earth-4. I could handle that. I want my
Blue Beetle back, but I don't need two more Teds.

I guess First Wave gets their own eart too, or maybe they exist in the
past sans Batman...

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So does the poll that Moyer mentioned (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=32809) show that most of the time a lot of people aren't interested in buying DC's new first issues?

At the very least it shows that the "Not at All" interested choice got the most votes for 46 of the 52 comics that DC is launching.

10,181 people took the poll.
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Adam Hutchinson - "While planning the September relaunch, DC's editorial team constructed a timeline that details the universe's history. Everything from the past that editors thought was integral and important was kept."

Reading that interview made my head hurt.  I honestly don't understand what they're hoping to achieve or how they're hoping to get it.  They keep various old stories in continuity but reboot several of the characters involved? 

So there's a reference to Identity Crisis in the latest issue of whatever, and the New Reader (who, mind you, requires a ground floor opening to even consider reading the books, hence all the number ones, right?) decides to buy the book.  BUT he reads it and there's Firestorm tragically dying, except that the same guy has just started superheroing in a series that takes place after Identity Crisis?  Huh?  This is a program designed to make things more accessible for everyone? 

And don't even get me started on the silliness of keeping Jason Todd around.  "He died, but then an alternate reality Superboy punched a wall, which recreated reality and brought him back to life."  And that's part of the Red Hood's origin story!  How do you ignore that?

So... basically the idea is to use FlashPoint to undo some of the stuff they didn't like in prior years in the name of being more "accessible?"  Trying to break into a new market with a new ground floor continuity I can kind of understand.  But this?  Ugh.

The other interesting(?) thing is how top down some of these books are.  Fabian Nicieza says the 7 Lost Legion characters were picked for him (hopefully Levitz had some say in it), Gail mentions that Barbara as Batgirl was a done deal before she was approached with the series, etc.

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The practice of restarting titles at #1 is addressed by one of the characters in
INVINCIBLE #80. Has anyone else here read the issue? If so, what do you
think?
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