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Don Berner
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I'm out. DC's lost me with this one and when my favourite titles wrap up I'll be done. Good way to save money and this feels like little more than a desperation move. The redesigns look terrible and would have been dated in the '90's. One thing the Image boys never got is that as soon as they go for a hipper, more modern look they'll be immediately dated and goofy.
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David Kingsley Kingsley
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Robert, that's a great question about when Post-Crisis DC lost it's way. I would argue that the Death of Superman and Knightfall were more "illusion of change" stories than anything else. Emerald Twilight was a little more permanent, but, I would argue, making Hal Jordan the Spectre was a more irreversible change for the character than Parallax. I'd also nominate the return of Krypto, since that seems a choice actively made to undo what Crisis did and was the beginning of the return of DC's silver age elements.
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Troy Nunis
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offhand i would say the Wonder Woman reboot is when Post-Crisis DC went over a cliff - instead of a Back-in-Time retrofit like Man of Steel - the "it happens now, and we'll iron out the wrinkles later" approach caused so many problems it took 20 years to make most of what it altered workable again --
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Aaron Smith
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Crisis itself may have been the beginning of the problem. Of course there were plenty of good stories told after Crisis, but Crisis made continuity and the whole idea of reboots and universe-altering events an issue and started the trend of it being done over and over and over and now here we go again. It may have been better if they had just stuck to writing around things rather than declaring that things would be fixed and making a big deal out of it. It might very well be easier all around, less confusing, and much cleaner to just ignore things that those creating the comics no longer want to deal with rather than making the problem much more noticable by drawing attention to it via an "event."
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Kip Lewis
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Hmm, guys are my store think DC isn't erasing Killing Joke with Batgirl,
but that either Barbara has been cured, or that new suit is an exo-
skelton that let's her move.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Doesn't fit what Gail Simone wrote. It's supposed to be Batgirl as she was originaly conceived.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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"[...]This is classic Barbara as she was originally conceived, with a few big surprises. It’s a bit of a shock, to be sure, but we’re doing everything we can to be respectful to this character’s amazing legacy, while presenting something thrilling that a generation of comics readers will be experiencing for the first time……Barbara Gordon leaping, fighting, and swinging over Gotham. Now, when citizens of that city look up, they are going to see BATGIRL.[...]" http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/06/gail-simone-on-barba ra-gordons-return-to-batgirl/
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 08 June 2011 at 4:50pm
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Eric Smearman
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Both the Wonder Woman and the Hawkman re-boots should have been retroactive after CoIE.
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Dave Phelps
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Stéphane, I guess it depends on what Simone considers to be "a few big surprises." :-)
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Brennan Voboril
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Rob Liefeld?
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Dave: i though of that too, but i believe it would be too complicated: If you want her back as she was conceived, then you need to have both batgirl and Babs walking.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Rob Liefeld? ************************** Yup, they're trying to bait JB and you folks into following the book.
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