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Stéphane Garrelie
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And about The Killing Joke? I like the story a lot. I like it as being it's own thing, not as being in continuity. Tha Barbara Gordon in the Kiling Joke never was Batgirl. Actually i have hard time to believe that Batgirl with all her years of pratice would have reacted as this Barbara Gordon did. I nonetheless consider Oracle an interesting character, simply i don't want the only Barbara Gordon to not be Batgirl. Once again multiple earths, and you can have both Batgirl and Oracle. You can even have team-up between the two, and very emotional stories+ serious reflexion about the handicap+adventure.
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Kip Lewis
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Here is the article I was talking about--Oracle is Stronger than Batgirl http://www.newsarama.com/comics/oracle-is-stronger-than-batg irl-110606.html
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Jason Larouse
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< http-equiv="content-" content="text/; charset=utf-8">| There's been no mention of Tim Drake so far. Odd, seeing as he's been the most successful of all the replacement Robins. I can understand DC seeing some value in Dick Grayson as Nightwing. But Jason Todd? Damian Wayne? They're excess baggage. | |
-------As if we needed more confirmation that Johns and Morrison were the two writers DC favors the most heavily now we get "lets reboot everything except Johns and Morrison's pet projects"
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Yes. I've read this article Kip. And this i can understand. This is why i am for an earth-2 Oracle. But many of the people who use the "role model" argument don't care at all about the ones who can't walk, they just want to keep their favorite version of a fictional character and use the pain of others to come to their ends.
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Kip Lewis
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If DC actively used Earth-2, like I said, I could go for two versions.But I still suspect, this is temporary too. It may take ten years (much
less if this title doesn't sell well) Barbara will be Oracle again.
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Aaron Smith
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OK, so this stories been going on for what, a week now? So far the only thing that indicates anything good possibly coming out of this is that Goerge Perez/ Superman rumor. Even if it's true, I'd only consider checking it out if Perez is both writing and drawing since I just don't trust most of DC's other current creators to deliver the goods. But, if I did try it, I'm sure some "event" would come along before too long and make it hard to follow just one title and I'd end up dropping that one. As for the rest of it, the Batman situation looks pretty dismal. All those Robins? I'd rather see some serious simplification. I did like Tim Drake, but I'd be OK if they just went back to Grayson. Todd should have stayed dead and Damian Wayne is one of the stupidest ideas they've had in recent years. 4 Green Lantern titles to start off? Makes me avoid them all. I'll admit that for about half a second I found the idea of a new Aquaman series exciting...but then I saw that constipated cover and read Geoff Johns' name and that was that. I'm seeing nothing new here except the issue numbers. Convoluted histories, mostly the same writers who have been NOT impressing me for the past decade or so, and nothing worth getting excited over. Blechh!
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Michael Casselman
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No Kip. It just means that it was an error to do that to the character in the first place.
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Exactly. It boggles the mind, in a shared universe where Superman comes back to life, down-to-Earth characters like Green Arrow come back from the hereafter after being blown up, and the male counterpart (Batman) recovers from a spinal injury at the hands of Bane only a few years after the Killing Joke itself was published, how they stretched the plausibility of the in-universe narrative to explain how curing Barbara Gordon of her injury was beyond known science.
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Ray Brady
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At the beginning of this year, I was reading six titles from DC. Three of those were canceled last month, so I'm down to three currently.
So far, only one of those titles has been announced as coming back, and nothing I've seen so far makes me want to pick up anything new. My prediction so far is that DC will be making less money off of me come September.
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Aaron Smith
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Without getting up to look, I can't remember the last DC comic I bought. I can recall the last ones I really enjoyed. Joe Kubert's TOR and the JB/Stern JLA story. Those are both several years old. Sad.
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Kip Lewis
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But, it is also ridicolous that glasses can disguise someone or that no
one can see a red S through a white dress shirt. Some things you just
ignore. The same way we ignore that Dr. Midnight and Daredevil
remain blind.Plus, there is a difference between curing her disability and wishing it
away. Modern science has been pursuing a cure so experimental
treatment doesn't diminish her but reflects reality. People are looking
for cures. (You still have problem of losing diversity but it is a realistic
goal.) Pretending it didn't happen is different. At least if they reset
everything, then we'd just be back to the beginning, (know Oracle is
yet to come) but apparently they are picking and choosing.
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Michael Todd
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As far as I'm concerned with DC, nothing after Crisis on Infinite Earths happened anyway. I stopped caring after that.
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Tony Tower
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I would have preferred they kept Barbara Gordon as Oracle, but since they aren't, how about making a DCnU (as I guess somefolks are calling it) Chloe Sullivan into Oracle?
She was essentially that on the last few years of SMALLVILLE. And I don't think anyone would scream bloody murder if a storyline put now-adult Chloe in a wheelchair so the new Oracle is more like the one we just "lost."
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