Kip Lewis wrote: OK, let me explain my point; when I was a kid, I never viewed things as, this stuff belongs in a horror comic but doesn't belong in a super- hero comic. If horror elements showed up in Batman, I wouldn't have said, "this doesn't belong here."

Elements, perhaps.  But if Superman tore the heart out of a villain or there was excessive blood, gore and sex in a comic book where there had not been before, I certainly would have especially at ten years old.  Having read them for years by then, I was savvy enough to know that what showed up in the black and white Conan comic, usually more adult than the color Conan on the rack next to FF, didn't show up nor really belong in Spider-Man or Batman or Green Lantern.

I get the feeling that some posters want this to fail.  If so, that's just sad.

I don't think I want Nu 52 to fail; I think Nu 52 has already failed.

It doesn't matter if DC sells more comics for one month, two months, three months.

This endeavor of theirs hasn't the philosophical legs to overcome the essential problems of two decades of bad superhero comics, produced by two decades of bad superhero comics writers and artists who cannot, under any circumstance, make the right decisions.

Horror is a broad term for a lot of elements. Gore and visceral violence is an extreme aspect of the genre, an aspect which is the playground of the minor league schlocksters like Geoff Johns.

I think most of the time, if your superhero comic has gore and disturbing sexual scenarios in it, the writer (as is usually the case) needs to grow up and recognize exactly what it is he does for a living.