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Trevor Giberson
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Jeremy, it is my impression that Daredevil was not reboot. Continuity was not altered, and this new #1 is just the continuing adventures of The Man Without Fear.
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Craig Robinson
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Trevor, correct. Waid's DD is not a reboot, just a relaunch. It's fun. He smiles. He throws Cap's shield back at him. It's fun. They give lip service continuity to SHADOWLAND, but Waid is moving the ball forward. It's my favorite book of the year, so far. I stumbled across this story on an audio recording of Waid's DareDevil 1 on the Twitter yesterday: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/08/17/daredevil-audiobook -mark-waid-marvel/ And Waid gave a pretty cool interview about it recently: http://t.co/4wxXT9O My wife works for our state's office of developmental delay education in kids and sits on the Indiana Deaf/Blind Advisory Council and I'm kicking around the idea of forwarding this info on to them for their kiddos with visual impairments.
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Ed Love
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With respect Ed, I don't think DC should be aiming their Superman books towards you. Or me, really. They should be aiming them at 13 year old kids. Your complaints are very much the complaints of an adult comic fan who has been following the characters for decades. DC's been accommodating them (us) since at least the speculator crash and it hasn't helped sales at all.
I think DC's done something interesting for a change - in an attempt to grab new readers, they've risked a massive jump off point for old readers. I hope it works out for them.
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I agree to a point. But, most of these comics I wouldn't buy or give to a 13 year old kid (especially Detective). For one, none of them are complete stories.
If you think this is about "New" and younger readers, you're mistaken. The big deal about same day and date digital release? That's for people already in the habit of buying and discussing comics online. They really want "new" readers, they'd be addressing more seriously the price points and profit margins of comics: ways to make them more attractive to customers AND retailers. Returnability of unsold issues wouldn't be tied to increasing previous orders. There wouldn't be a half dozen different titles starring Batman, scaring off anyone coming to the character for the first time, several books all featuring a different guy who used to be Robin, a multitude of Lantern books, none of whom starring the guy that was just in a movie and direct to dvd cartoons (even if it bombed, reached more people than the comics do). "New" readers is only a small fraction of what this is aimed at. It's more about old and lapsed DC readers and Market Share.
One of the problems with reboots is it is the opposite of what they say they want it to be about, especially when it's done in a haphazard manner like this. Instead of freeing up titles from continuity, they are more slaves to it. Titles now have to set out and tell continuity stories, to explain where it all fits in. Creators bring in their own personal favorite bits of continuity, rehashing old stories and continuity bits. It can only move forward by constantly gazing backwards. Thus, JLA has to spend time telling us how they met for the first time again. Pages going over their origins. How many pages did Wolfman and Perez give us going over the New Teen Titans origins in the first two or three issues of their comic? Look at Hawk & Dove, Swamp Thing and Animal Man. Their opening plots are about continuity elements introduced over twenty years ago. They are trying to define themselves by what parts of continuity are being kept and what's not. Already it's a mess.
I don't know who exactly DC is aiming for, but it hasn't been at me for a long time. Last several years I've been steadily dropping DC titles. The titles that interest me now, have little to nothing to do with there being a reboot (Aquaman and Resurrection Man) and the former is already turning me off by advertising cover art where Aquaman is skewering a foe with his trident and blood spurting out in all directions.
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Trevor Giberson
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OK, I finished reading the stuff I got yesterday. Overall, it is nice to be excited about new comics again. That hasn't happened in a long time.
Some comments:
Excited About, Will Get Ongoing
Action Comics - I wish the whole relaunch was like this, the characters appearing for the first time.
Green Arrow - Straight-up superhero action, and my favorite artwork of all the stuff so far. Not the GA I'm used to, but I like this guy too.
Men Of War - Lots of action, lots of questions. Plus it's Sgt. Rock's grandkid. Love it.
Omac - Interesting story, cool retro-Kirby artwork.
Swamp Thing - Great art, interesting story, great twist at the end. On the negative side, it feels like I missed a mini-series or something. All the books in this category besides this one feels like I'm getting on the ground floor.
Interested, Will Try Next Issue
Animal Man - Somehow this book "feels more DC" than the rest of the lineup. If the next issue is as good as this one, I'll move it to the upper category.
Batwing - The artwork looks like something out of an '90s issue of Heavy Metal. I'm interested in the story, but I'm not attached to anyone yet, we'll see if the next issue fixes it.
Detective Comics - Don't care for the artwork much (might be the fault of the color). Joker seems more interesting than Batman. We'll see.
Didn't Enjoy, But Might Try Another Issue
Batgirl - Nice art, but nothing else in this grabbed me.
Stormwatch - I've no interest in any of these characters. If I get the next issue, it is because I'm a victim of the hype machine. Very close to moving it down a category.
Didn't Enjoy, Won't Get Next Issue
Justice League International - Feels like a '90s comic with better art. I don't know any of these characters except Batman, and this did nothing for me. Actually, Batman hasn't been introduced very well in this relaunch as yet, either.
Static Shock: No attachment to the character, didn't care for the art, and nothing made me want to get the next issue.
Flipped Through, But Looked So Bad I Didn't Buy
Hawk & Dove - 'Nuff said.
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Shawn Kane
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I enjoyed what I bought and my LCS sold out of Action and Detective. The new DC Universe has brought new business to the shop and continued good storytelling and art will keep bringing it hopefully.
Edited by Shawn Kane on September 08 2011 at 8:56am
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Craig Robinson
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I did pick up Action Comics 1 and loved it. It takes a lot to get me to read a Superman book, let alone slap down 5 bucks for it. No regrets. I brought it to work with me today to read over lunch. Superman's giving a big eff you (in his Superman way) to the rotten powers that be in Metropolis; great stuff. I went ahead and bought JL 1. I'd like to at least stick with it long enough to see the band come together. I also want to see what they do with Darkseid. I also picked up TMNT #1 from last week. I am interested in the next issue, but don't see getting deeply involved. I bought the Raphael cover, if you must know. It was between Raph and Donny. It was the hardest choice I've made all week.
Edited by Craig Robinson on September 08 2011 at 8:58am
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Trevor Giberson
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Two things that seem to bother some people in the thread that don't bother me a bit:
1. Violence. I love horror comics, always have. Old EC and Harvey horror comics would laugh at the violence in these books, even the shock ending in Detective.
2. Continued Stories. As far as I'm concerned, this is serial fiction, a soap opera. Every issue should lead into the next, endlessly, like those Lee/Ditko Hulk stories in back in Tales To Astonish.
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Don Zomberg
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Old EC horror comics and superhero titles = apples and oranges.
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Kip Lewis
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Old EC horror comics and superhero titles = apples and oranges.
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When I was a kid; that distinction did not exist; Superman, House of
Horrors (or whatever it was called), cowboy comics, sci-fi--they were
all one and the same.
(And that distinction doesn't exist outside of comic collectors/industry
insiders either. That's why some call all comic's "funny books".)
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Trevor Giberson
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Don Zomberg wrote:
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There's no good reason that has to be, at least not in 100% of cases. IMO.
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Matt Reed
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Kip Lewis wrote:
Don Zoomberg wrote:
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When I was a kid; that distinction did not exist; Superman, House of
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Once again it feels like you're disagreeing just to be an auto-contrarian. I'm quite certain that I'm older than you and the distinction between what was acceptable in a horror comic and what was acceptable in a mainstream superhero comic couldn't have been more clear and distinct especially given the strict limits of the CCA back in the day. Even in the 80s when I was a teenager I knew that when I picked up a comic starring Batman or Superman I wasn't going to get a Western or a Horror book. Your point, such as it is, really makes no sense whatsoever.
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Thom Price
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Once again it feels like you're disagreeing just to be an auto-contrarian.
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I bet he disagrees with that!
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