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Shawn Kane
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I felt like all the real story was taking place in the ancillary titles, which I didn't buy.____________________________________________________________ _______
You make a good point. I enjoyed Flashpoint because I did enjoy all of the tie-ins. I would say that some were probably better than the main mini. I enjoyed Kubert's artwork in the main story though. As a stand alone, I'd say that Flashpoint didn't succeed very well. My 14 year old brother-in-law read just those five issues and didn't come away with much. Unfortunately, he would have enjoyed the Legion of Doom mini which was the weakest of all the minis IMO.
Edited by Shawn Kane on 04 September 2011 at 5:23am
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Kip Lewis
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If you are telling the origin story of the Justice League, shouldn't you
have more than three characters meet?!?!? ----------------------- I have seen it done this way before; more than once, both in comics
and on TV (cartoons I think). (And I don't mean recently; I mean years
ago. It might have been in Anime.) A slower introduction to each
character serves new readers who aren't as familar with everyone. Of course, it probably works better with a group people are already
familiar with.
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Kip Lewis
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With the sales of digital going full steam ahead; Diamonds stats on
sales and ranking has just become useless. They never did include
subscriptions and newstands sales. Nor did they include overseas
sales. But now they won't include what potentionally could become
the biggest market.
Hmm, oversea sales. Digital might do best here, because as I
understand it, US/Canadian sales happen before they sell to other
foreign markets. That would mean digital copies are available long
before the hardcopy is available to buy. That could prove to be a draw.
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Trevor Giberson
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The other cool thing about digital sales is that there's no time limit on them. JLA #1 will be available for sale for years.
A side-effect of this is that digital sales are directly aimed at readers, not speculators.
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Joe Zhang
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JL #1 *** SPOILERS ***
The good : the action starts from page one and doesn't stop; it is not just a talking heads book. It's a short chase story teaming up Batman and Green Lantern. Pyrotechnics, projectiles, and glowing green constructs abound. This kind of superhero story that I have an appetite for, thank you DC.
The bad : I understand that this version of the Justice League is supposed to be much younger, in their early to mid-twenties. So it's understandable if the intention is to portray as overconfident and ham-fisted. But here Green Lantern and Batman behave like thirteen-year olds, jostling and putting each other down. Superman is no better, bowling them over without provocation. Once again, DC misses the point about superheroes. Stan Lee showed us that it's OK for them to have flaws and make mistakes. But they're not just a bunch of ordinary dudes who happen to have powers and wear costumes. By the end of the story we should learn or be reminded what makes them heroes.
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Trevor Giberson
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Hard to tell from your review, Joe. Will you be getting issue 2?
(BTW, Superman had provocation. GL declared that he was going to restrain Superman for questioning. Superman's opening comment made it clear that he heard GL say that.)
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Joe Zhang
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Flashpoint is irresponsible trash.
*SPOILERS*
I understand the concept of the Butterfly Effect. But that does not explain how the murder of the Flash's mother would alter prior events such as the murder of the Waynes. Also, that bit about there being one timeline split into three is meta-fiction bullshit. Most of us readers know that Vertigo and Wildstorm stories were never meant to tie into the main DC stuff. There's no need to explain that in-story.
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Joe Zhang
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"Will you be getting issue 2?"
Sure.
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Trevor Giberson
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I flipped through Flashpoint, but it looked awful so I didn't bother getting it. Fortunately, I didn't need it to understand JLA #1.
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Adam Hutchinson
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A friend of mine described Flashpoint 5 as: "Eh, didn't seem that
important anyways,,,flash runs around, welcome to new dc, hi bats,
the end." Pretty good description. The interaction between Batman and
Flash was well written. I liked that part.
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Chad Carter
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Leave it Chad to be so quick to use one of JBs "catchphrases" that he forgets to check and see if it applies to his own post.
I only have to refer to the past 26 years of irresponsible mishandling of superhero comics to justify my mindreading. Your example, Mike, would suggest an origin point for irresponsiblity, if it were true, which it's not. I would definitely argue that the mishandling of superheroes began with Stan Lee's decidedly odd decision to age Spider-Man, thus beginning a continuity problem that required other characters to "grow up." This culminated in Gwen Stacy's death, the deflowering of superhero comics to become a soap opera morass which could only appeal to longtime readers. And since comic book fans are notorious for being unable to let go of these dramatic fictional moments, as if somehow their experience were being chronicled and legitimized in Stan Lee's shuck-and-jive salesmanship, we're left with just the fans and not the readers. A fan being someone who has trouble distinguishing between what they want, and what is good for a medium, in superhero comics, that they should have let go of decades past.
Edited by Chad Carter on 04 September 2011 at 1:40pm
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Shawn Kane
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Wasn't it in Stan's best interest to keep selling comic books? What is "good" for the medium? There aren't alot of options left for the companies. Should they just fold or should they try to find a way to continue to sell comics?
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