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Craig Robinson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 28 November 2010 Location: United States Posts: 1756
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | 1
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I considered that, and then realized that it's a comic book. Not to toot my own horn, but I'll put my conceit up against four Robins in five years....
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Kip Lewis Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 01 March 2011 Posts: 2877
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | 2
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Never mind--deleted.
Edited by Kip Lewis on 03 September 2011 at 1:06pm
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Bill Wiist Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 17 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1555
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | 3
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I think stating how long each hero has been "in business" is a big mistake. I think this relaunch would have been more successful, if they'd jettisoned any attempts at making it all crossover and lineup. That never, ever, ever works AND it's why DC (and Marvel) is in the mess it's in today. They should have gone back to the titles all being self-contained and the stories just happening "sometime" in each of the hero(es) careers early, present or late. Crossovers could happen, but they shouldn't break or alter the books.
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | 4
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I think what Chad is saying is that there is a disconnect from saying he likes JB's stories then killing off his creations. |
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Only if you assume some malicious intent. When Roy Thomas killed off Prof. X it wasnt a statement on his feelings about Stan Lee's work, personality or opinons. You had to go back to the, what, late 1960s to find an example of one creator killing another's without "malicious intent," and then mind read on top of that? I never read these stories, but from a brief google seach, it looks like Prof X was never dead to begin with. So how is this example even relevant? The point is: in the case of Giffin, I believe Giffin would like comics to be as John Byrne would like them, but he doesn't want to end up on the "outside" like John Byrne because his views are contrary to those in charge. The only way to keep in good with Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison is to continue to do exactly what they want Giffin to do. I'm sure money and professional opportunity has everything to do with it.
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Eric Smearman Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 02 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 5867
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | 5
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Talk about mind-reading...And it's Giffen.
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Ed Love Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 05 October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2711
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | 6
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The statements that are key to Giffen's thinking are about him being glad that the continuity is starting over, creators not being hamstrung by continuity. As a creator, nine times out of ten, Giffen avoids continuity or writing a character that is consistent with the character's history and previous characterization. Even when the characters (such as Booster and Beetle) are appearing simultaneously in their own titles. He approaches characters and projects with the idea of what can he change that makes them interesting to him as opposed to finding something interesting already within the character.
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4274
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | 7
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I think what Chad is saying is that there is a disconnect from saying he likes JB's stories then killing off his creations. |
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Only if you assume some malicious intent. When Roy Thomas killed off Prof. X it wasnt a statement on his feelings about Stan Lee's work, personality or opinons.
Chad Carter wrote:
You had to go back to the, what, late 1960s to find an example of one creator killing another's without "malicious intent," and then mind read on top of that? I never read these stories, but from a brief google seach, it looks like Prof X was never dead to begin with. So how is this example even relevant? |
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I re-read the story recently, so it was fresh in my mind. Why does it matter when the story was published? Yeah, Prof X was brought back a few years later. In between, while another writer handled the book, he was dead as dead can be. And as far as we know it was meant to last. till Roy ( or maybe Neal) wanted to use Prof X again, A writer can bring back Nudge or Grunt with just as much ease, if the mood strikes them as well. So its as relevent as any comic book death is. Yeah, I don't know for sure why Roy killed off the Prof, but from what I recall it was an attempt to change up the book and boost sales. And thats what I based my statement on. So not really mindreading. ( Well if you discount my own.)
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4274
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 8
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Eric Smearman wrote:
Talk about mind-reading... And it's Giffen. |
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Leave it Chad to be so quick to use one of JBs "catchphrases" that he forgets to check and see if it applies to his own post.
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Adam Hutchinson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 15 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4502
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 6:18pm | IP Logged | 9
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Both Flashpoint 5 and Justice League 1 sold out at by LCS.
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Bryan Eacret Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 08 February 2007 Location: United States Posts: 748
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Posted: 03 September 2011 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | 10
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"Both Flashpoint 5 and Justice League 1 sold out at by LCS."
The shop I go to had quite a few left of each; I'd estimate over 50 of each.
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Shawn Kane Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 04 November 2010 Location: United States Posts: 3239
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Posted: 04 September 2011 at 5:04am | IP Logged | 11
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My LCS sold out of Justice League #1 By the way, at what point did comic book creators become evil overlords? Sure Johns and Morrison are important creators to DC (especially given Johns official position at DC) but I'm sure that Giffen can find work with Dark Horse, Image, or IDW if he doesn't like the direction of comics. Johns and Morrison sell comics in today's market. People make their comics top sellers (even though top sellers don't mean as much these days). I CAN'T STAND what Bendis and Fraction have done to the Marvel Universe but people buy their comics so the publisher will give their ideas a chance more than they will a creator that doesn't sell as much. But I'm pretty sure that Johns and Morrison aren't sitting in a dark room plotting how to make comics worse for those of us that appreciate a simpler time.
Edited by Shawn Kane on 04 September 2011 at 5:18am
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Steven McCauley Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 23 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1431
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Posted: 04 September 2011 at 5:15am | IP Logged | 12
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I picked up Flashpoint # 5 and Justice League yesterday
Underwhelmed by both.
*** Spoilers ***
Flashpoint: Did ANYTHING happen in this mini-series? (In my opinion this could have been a one and done or at most two issues). The Flash wakes up in a world that has changed, meets Batman (not the same as his), spends an entire issue trying to get his powers back, meets Cyborg and tries to contact Superman, tries to stop Aguaman and Wonder Woman from destroying the world, then actually stops himself from causing the whole Flashpoint world by stopping himself from stopping the murder of his mom (which was freshly written into continuity when Barry Allen came back from the speed force last year). I felt like all the real story was taking place in the ancillary titles, which I didn't buy.
If you are telling the origin story of the Justice League, shouldn't you have more than three characters meet?!?!? Look at the cover -- there are seven heroes on the cover -- if this is truly designed to bring in new readers, I would think each of those seven should be introduced in some way in the story. Wouldn't it be nice to have them team up to fight a real menace, not a vague New Gods villain. Wouldn't it be nice not to demean the costume that Superman has worn for over 60 years by stating in the character sketch area "The red underwear is gone!"? Why are we shoehorning Cyborg into this? I really dislike the collars on everyone's costume design (even Wonder Woman has a choker in the same style).
I won't be getting this title -- I may pick up Action Comics, since George Perez and JB are the only two artists that will get me to buy a book with their presence alone. To be fair, I haven't bought many DC titles (only LoSH and Adventure) over the past few years. But this will guarantee that I will not be returning to Superman, my all-time favorite character.
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