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Mike Bunge
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"Y'know, if they actually managed to get it into the hands of civilians, it wasn't a bad overall first issue. Yes, I know it's not like OUR traditional comics, with the done in one, whole team appearing in the first issue kind of story. But it felt like a pilot to a TV series, which I think more people would feel comfortable and familiar with." That was pretty much my reaction to it. I think the long-term civilian response will depend on price point and how they handle the whole 'It's a brand new DC Universe...except where not going to actually start at the beginning and instead pick things up at some undefined point AFTER all the origin strories and stuff". Mike
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Kevin Brown
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While I tend to be rather skeptical of Newsarama's "reporting", here's an article about the retailer's experiences so far with the relaunch: LINK. Some good news, some ok news, some not-so-good news.
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Trevor Giberson
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From a review on The Beat: http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/08/31/review-flashpoint-5-and -justice-league-1-spoilers/
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| I’m impressed. JL #1 is definitely aimed at those teen readers Dan DiDio was talking about. This comic hopes to target people who have never read a Justice League comic before and are discovering this world for the first time. |
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| A lot of people are wondering why this had to be an intro book, but I say …what a great idea! Go back and watch the first episode of any TV show still on the air — it set things up! You met people! People met people! There was intrigue so you would come back next week, but also introductions. No one had ever seen it before so you had to do that. |
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So what to make of all this? More than ever I feel the conflict of knowing that this is not aimed at me. This is a somewhat uninspired introductory comic for readers 13-up.
Which is what it should be. Really, was there any other tack to take with this book? You want new readers, you must appeal to new readers! I have no idea if the flat video game dialog was the result of second guessing, editorial mandate or what, but the vivid, heroic art by Lee will probably make up for it for the younger reader. I hope. I guess. How the hell should I know? |
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| I’m told the other 51 books are more over the spectrum as far as tone and potential audience, which is again as it should be. Until we get to read more of them, I would say to take the reaction of any jaded, cold-cast statue-owning DC reader on JUSTICE LEAGUE #1 as superfluous. Give it to some 13-year-old boy of your acquaintance if you can pry him away from Batman: Arkham Asylum and see if he likes it. That’s your future of DC Comics right there. |
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Darren De Vouge
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I read the book and found it mildly entertaining. Nothing special though. It's all been said and done before. Seeing that awful Superman costume on the last page made me think: "none of this is going to last!"
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Kip Lewis
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That Superman costume is showing up (sortof) in the movie. I wont be
suprised to see it animated soon too.
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Chad Carter
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Joe Zhang wrote:
| Re: Keith Giffen. He talks a good game, but I remember how he declared JB as a great storyteller. Then not long after in his Doom Patrol, the first thing he did was have Nudge and Grunt turned into ground meat ... |
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I haven't read Doom Patrol since JB did it, but what's one got to do with the other?
Giffin seems to have a similar desire as JB to create original characters, reestablish familiar archetypes and reinvigorate comic book storytelling as it was meant to be. But Giffin's desires run contrary to that, in reality, and he has no respect for anything he can kill off, or deform, or trivialize. And I notice what comes from Giffin's lips is often very different than what emerges from his writer's instincts. His art, on the other hand, is heavily Kirby-influenced right now and I enjoy it when he deigns to use it.
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Trevor Giberson
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OK, but what does any of that have to do with Giffen acknowledging JB's obvious talents?
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David Ferguson
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I think what Chad is saying is that there is a disconnect from saying he likes JB's stories then killing off his creations.
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Joe Zhang
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It's an example of Giffen talking out of both sides of his mouth. I find his criticisms of today's comics valid, and perhaps even brave. But has he ever criticized his own contributions to the mess, like his grim and gritty Legion stories, or Lobo?
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Brad Krawchuk
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But has he ever criticized his own contributions to the mess, like his grim and gritty Legion stories, or Lobo?
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I'm surprised you haven't heard Giffen go off on Lobo (or Ambush Bug) in some form or other. He's said in several interviews over the last 5 years that Lobo was meant to be a parody of characters like Punisher, Wolverine, etc, and that he basically became the thing he was meant to skewer. Giffen doesn't like working with some of his characters anymore, and has repeatedly stated that he has said all he has to say with Lobo, Ambush Bug, etc, and would rather not see them around anymore.
I think he'd probably be grateful if someone came by and killed them off and didn't bring them back.
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Stephen Churay
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I read JL#1. I didn't find that there was enough story there to comment
on yet.
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Kevin Brown
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I enjoyed the first issue. It's far from perfect, but it's not as horrible as others are describing it to be. Out of 5 stars, I'd give it 3½. As for the final issue of Flashpoint, it explained things quite well and I think it sets up a great friendship between Bruce & Barry. Those final few pages between those two were definitely emotional and it had me smiling in the end. The best scene in the book, IMO, was how Thomas Wayne defeated Thawne. I just wish there was a way DC could have kept Thomas alive in the new continuity.... ah well. Very good ending to one "universe" and a decent beginning/set-up to another.
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