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Trevor Giberson
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JT Molloy wrote:
| Oh GOD, if there's one thing I'm sick of it's the by-the-numbers-post-modern playbook.
1) Superheroes get introduced. 2) The public fears and questions them. 3) (and what ya wanna bet this is next in the DCU?) The government gets involved.
SO boring.
To me that only works in X-Men. Because in X-Men, the weird powers (which are often much more weird and carry more baggage in that world) could be YOU next or your kids or your neighbors. |
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If they are smart, they aren't aiming for readers who've been following these characters for decades. If you and I like it, that's a bonus for them, but they shouldn't take us into account at all. We've seen it all, and we're cynical. It is time for a new generation of readers to take over. IMO, it is time for the seven-year readership turnover to make a comeback.
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Trevor Giberson
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JT Molloy wrote:
| I very much doubt that "lets make the pacing like manga" was the thinking that went into it. |
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Maybe, maybe not. I guess there's no way to know without asking. The effect is the same, though. The size and shape of the panels, the pacing and dialogue placement is very similar to manga. Feel free to compare for yourself, there plenty online for free. (My favorite is a boxing one called Hajime No Ippo, you can read it online for free here. 947 chapters and counting).
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Roger A Ott II
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I got a look at this book today (didn't buy it, as I have no interest in following it), and I was under-impressed. Jim Lee's art looks pretty much like it did 15 years ago, and I yawned at it then.
Even if everything else was absolutely perfect, not featuring the entire League in the first issue would have been enough to keep me from buying it.
If this is an indicator of the way things are going to be, I'm glad I stopped buying DC a few years ago.
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Trevor Giberson
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The improvement I see in Jim Lee is mostly storytelling. Back in the day, his books seemed like a series of pin-ups rather than a story. Now his characters now have facial expressions and body language.
Maybe its just me, though. I was awful down on the Image guys back in the day - they were part of the reason I gave up DC and Marvel in the late '80s.
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JT Molloy
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Trevor, discounting the fact that these are only sold in specialty stores and kids won't get to them anyway, you seem to think that I give a damn about continuity. I am the FIRST person who would want Marvel and DC to shred it all up and start over.
However, with these garbage costumes, the snail-pacing and the all the rest of the nonsense that keeps comics in the hands of the aging fanboys, I'm simply not interested. They lost me at "Damien is still Robin".
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Trevor Giberson
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BTW, don't think I'm raving over this JLA comic. I'm not. It isn't an all-time classic or anything like that. I just think that it is a decent comic overall, and a step in the right direction.
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Jason Larouse
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JT- they aren't being sold in just specialty stores now, they're being sold on the internet.
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Well I think it's Talking Malibu Stacy with another new hat.
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Kevin Brown
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The thing that some of those who are complaining the loudest seem to be missing is that this is not just a set-up for the new League, but the set-up to DC's universe post-Flashpoint. It's a peek into what's new and different. It's the first piece of a new puzzle. Mind you, I have NOT read this book yet, so I cannot say if it's "good" or "bad". I'm only commenting on what I've read so far in terms of spoilers and people's comments. Be that as it may, I won't praise or condemn DC based on just one title.
Edited by Kevin Brown on 31 August 2011 at 1:00pm
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Trevor Giberson
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| Trevor, discounting the fact that these are only sold in specialty stores and kids won't get to them anyway... |
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These are sold digitally, same-day as in the store. That's the most promising aspect of this launch, IMO. Kids buy more music than adults now, and the vast majority of it is digital singles. I've heard that Archie's going great digitally.
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| ... you seem to think that I give a damn about continuity. I am the FIRST person who would want Marvel and DC to shred it all up and start over. |
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No, that's wasn't what I was trying to say. This isn't about continuity at all. What I'm saying is that we have preconceived notions about who these characters are, and what kind of stories should be told about them. Take your post above about how boring it is that the heroes are mistrusted, and how that only works for X-Men. We roll our eyes when themes and plots we've seen a hundred times get used again. We're cynical.
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| However, with these garbage costumes, the snail-pacing and the all the rest of the nonsense that keeps comics in the hands of the aging fanboys, I'm simply not interested. They lost me at "Damien is still Robin". |
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I think this could be a massive jump-off point for aging fanboys. They better get the digital initiative right, and they better make these books attractive to new readers or they are hosed. (BTW, I jumped off Batman around the time Jason Todd was killed. You lasted longer than me, brother!) |
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I'm a bit younger though. Still in my 20's. I STARTED when Jason was killed! There were rough times in comic books from any given point in history, but I feel like almost everything made after 2001 (when Quesada took over Marvel and fanboy-news-websites started up) is geared with fanboys in mind. It's been running this way for a decade now and I don't think they remember at all how to make comics for anything but that aging audience, even when they claim they're trying not to.
It's still decompressed and messy and doesn't resemble the kind of comics I'd wanna read as a kid, or an adult who "gets it".
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Trevor Giberson wrote:
| Take your post above about how boring it is that the heroes are mistrusted, and how that only works for X-Men. We roll our eyes when themes and plots we've seen a hundred times get used again. We're cynical. |
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I know this was directed at JT, but I have to comment. "Hated and feared" are the X-Men. It isn't the JLA. Never has been unless it's an Elseworlds story. Sorry, but although I can deal with apprehension from the civilian population regarding Batman, I can't with Superman and Wonder Woman. To me, it reads like DC saying "hated and feared" sells with Marvel, so let's change our flagship title to pull in some of those sales which, of course, totally disregards what the majority of DCU heroes have represented to the civilian population at large. That, and what I'm reading about yet another series where it'll take four, six or eight issues to pull together the core group (read: decompressed), has me once again saying "here's the new s*!t, same as the old s*!t".
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