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Adam Hutchinson
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Well a number of titles of the "New 52" have already had some changes in the art teams, according to the solicits; most notably one of the flagship titles, Action Comics. To me that shows at least some evidence that they're committed to on-time shipping. The rest of Giffen's statement, obviously, will be either proven or disproven as time goes on and storylines unfold, books ship, etc. I'm hopeful.
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Thom Price
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why would you hire many of the same people that messed it up in the first place to do so?
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This whole thing really fits into Einstein's definition of insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Everything that's being done with this reboot are the same methods that have been used for the past two decades, that have resulted in the comics industry reaching its current state. Do the Powers-That-Be at DC really expect a different result this time? Or has the industry really sunk so low that they now only aim for these temporary spikes caused by stunts?
There's a half dozen books that have me a bit intrigued, but I have no intention of putting my hand back in the fire -- I've been burned too many times! In 6 or 7 months, I'll take a look at the state of the books and maybe pick up some back issues at that point. Not holding my breath, though!
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Brad Krawchuk
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| Posted: 31 August 2011 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 3
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I'm jumping in to a bunch of titles (except Batman books, which are retaining that terrible Morrison continuity crap) because I'm sick of not collecting regular monthly comics.
JB's books, the new Archie Mega Man series, and (as of last week) IDW's TMNT notwithstanding, I'm just sick of going to the shop and only having trades or busts or toys or statues waiting for me. I'd actually like to buy some comics on a regular basis, y'know? So I'm in for about a dozen, maybe fifteen of these DC titles for a couple months, just to see if it feels as good to have a few issues a week waiting for me as I remember.
If not, then I guess it's back to the barren wastes of a few issues a month, and the odd issue of RASL and Mouse Guard whenever Jeff Smith or David Peterson feel like releasing an issue...
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JT Molloy
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| Posted: 31 August 2011 at 10:25am | IP Logged | 4
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This whole thing really fits into Einstein's definition of insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
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Kinda like people who still buy this after complaining about it for decades.
Honestly, if you're truly addicted to superhero comics, why not just read back issues? That's what I started doing. There's SO many comics out there from yesteryear, why not replace what you'd be reading with new garbage with whatever you didn't read from the old days?
That's what I'm doing. I hate current Marvel, but instead of buying unsatisfying Spider-Man, I'm going through my Amazing Spider-Man PDF files (from that ASM 1-500 collection CD-Rom thing) and filling in all the gaps I hadn't read before! Then there's Spectacular, Web Of ect. ect. I could hunt down. It's still "new" to me!
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 31 August 2011 at 10:28am | IP Logged | 5
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I'm with Thom. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, three times, a hundred times, shame on me. I've bought comics far to long to fall for the "this time it's going to be different" line. The onus is on them to get me back, not to spout the same marketing shtick they've used for decades only to find out a couple months later that it's the emperor's new clothes.
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JT Molloy
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Reminds me an awful lot of this old Simpsons quote:
Lisa Simpson: "Wait! Don't be fooled! She's just a regular 'Malibu Stacy' with a stupid cheap hat! She still embodies all the awful stereotypes she did before!"
Smithers: "But, she's got a new hat!"
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Trevor Giberson
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| Posted: 31 August 2011 at 10:54am | IP Logged | 7
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JT Molloy wrote:
| Kinda like people who still buy this after complaining about it for decades. |
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But I can quit any time.... ;)
Seriously though, I haven't been buying new comics in a long time. I've been living on back issues for the last several years, and outside a few indy comics, I skipped the '90s entirely. I love comics, but I'm not that invested in DC or Marvel post-1985 or so.
The new Justice League book isn't much like a book from the early '80s, and if that's all that will satisfy you, then skip it. But if the problems you had with modern DC & Marvel were all the talking head books, the heavy continuity and a target audience of 40-something fanboys, then this is your book. None of that was here. I could pass this to a typical 11-year-old boy and I expect he'd love it.
Bottom line: this was an all-ages comic, heavy on the action, and friendly to new readers.
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JT Molloy
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It's still decompressed though. I can't do that anymore. I simply lost the attention span to read anything that doesn't resolve SOMEthing in one issue.
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Jason Larouse
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I actually enjoyed the first issue. I have to seriously question the wisdom of decompressing the hell out of it though. I read Morrison's first issue of JLA the other day and while he's not known for telling super compressed stories he at least introduces every member of the Justice League in the first issue.
Also- is it just me or is DC trying to make the heroes hated like mutants?
Edited by Jason Larouse on 31 August 2011 at 12:14pm
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JT Molloy
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Oh GOD, if there's one thing I'm sick of it's the by-the-numbers-post-modern playbook.
1) Superheroes get introduced. 2) The public fears and questions them. 3) (and what ya wanna bet this is next in the DCU?) The government gets involved.
SO boring.
To me that only works in X-Men. Because in X-Men, the weird powers (which are often much more weird and carry more baggage in that world) could be YOU next or your kids or your neighbors.
Edited by JT Molloy on 31 August 2011 at 12:21pm
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Trevor Giberson
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JT Molloy wrote:
| It's still decompressed though. I can't do that anymore. I simply lost the attention span to read anything that doesn't resolve SOMEthing in one issue |
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This is very true. The book has manga-pacing. Since that's what the kids like, I think it is a good move, but its a scary price point for such a quick read.
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JT Molloy
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I very much doubt that "lets make the pacing like manga" was the thinking that went into it.
This comic should've been 40 pages, with the whole team fighting a villain or at LEAST coming together for the first time on the final page ready to go while a threat looms.
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