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Chad Carter
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Posted: 26 August 2011 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | 1  

 

The worst part of the list of 52 is that roughly 2/3 of the books have no inherent interest to any "new reader" who doesn't know who characters like the Red Hood or Mister Miracle are.

Why in christ did someone decide to glut the market with marginal garbage (when John Ostrander isn't writing it) like SUICIDE SQUAD. I mean there was a couple of reasons to read SUICIDE SQUAD in 1986, when it was a) a fresh idea and b) had talented pros like Ostrander and McDonnell working on it. SS was a time/place thing, like Challengers of the Unknown, like Deadman, like Swamp Thing. Unless you're doing something really special with those characters, I don't see what the purpose is in dragging them out, altering them when readers hardly know their original incarnations, and expecting "new readers."

I keep looking at DC's output in the past.

Why not just reboot with a few Superman books, a few Batman books, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Legion of Super-Heroes, Teen Titans, Justice League of America? Aren't these characters/titles the core reason any "new reader" would have to buy their books? Aquaman? And I love Aquaman, but come on now.

Again, if DC was interested in being a real publishing house, they'd understand how to tailor their books to attract these faceless "new readers" they speak of. Superheroes for the kids, and then they could publish a DC PRESENTS line of different genre work, starring some of their incredible second stringers like The Demon, The Question, The Challs, Doom Patrol, Metamorpho, Unknown Soldier, G.I. Robot.

In those cases, the characters can encompass more of the adult thematics, understanding that whatever is changed in the course of their story is not cast in stone. Those characters are never changed back to what they were, since the idea is that DC Comics publishes stories which happen to use those characters, insuring each iteration of those characters is seperate from the others. Joe Lansdale's Unknown Soldier and Joe Haldeman's Unknown Soldier are two distinct takes on the same character, but there's room for both. "Imaginary Stories" if you will. Sherlock Holmes in WW 2 era London type stuff.

 

 

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Well, it's offical, James Robinson and Nicola Scott are on the new Justice Society and it's looks like they will be back on Earth-2.

I like it idea.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/fan-expo-new-52-110827.html

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Posted: 27 August 2011 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | 3  

...and I'm in for JSA! WOO-HOO! 

(Unless/until Robinson does something ridiculous, like Cry For Justice or New Krypton, then I'm out for JSA and the WOO-HOO! turns into a BOO-HOO!)

Still, the Nicola Scott art will be stellar for as long as the writing holds out!
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Posted: 27 August 2011 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | 4  

Brian Azzarello spoke with gusto about Wonder Woman #1, written by him with art by Cliff Chiang. He reiterated the horror focus of the story. “This is not the Wonder Woman that you'll recognize from before besides the costume,” he said. “I've said this is a horror book and I'm sticking to that.” Brooding panels by Chiang were shown to the crowd, including a nighttime shot of Wonder Woman fending off, presumably, an intruder in her bedroom, reinforced the statement.

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You know, when I first heard that Azzarello was going to be writing WW, I thought to myself this isn't going to be good, because based on all the stuff I've read from him, I can't see him writing WW...now I see what's happening. He's not writing WW at all...
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Posted: 27 August 2011 at 8:58pm | IP Logged | 5  

I'm OK with the idea of Wonder Woman as a horror book. Buffy was horror show, but at heart it was a superhero story. What I don't like is how DC exhibits no solid creative vision for Wonder Woman, or Superman for that matter. Let's think back to all the reboots and origin revisions DC has attempted with Superman and Wonder Woman in the past couple of years. I mean, is the new 52 DC's "final answer", until next year's reboot?


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Brad Krawchuk
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Posted: 27 August 2011 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | 6  

Azzarello has also said that Wonder Woman is the same, but the book will be treated differently. She's still from Paradise Island, still has the made of clay origin, still has her mother and sisters...

His idea for the horror elements lay in what he's going to do with the gods. They're basically going to be treated as the petty, jealous, self-serving and manipulative characters that they were in Greek myth, and the horror of it is that they are so powerful that these particular attitudes of theirs can have terrible consequences for the world. Wonder Woman's function is basically to protect the world from them. 

His idea of horror thus isn't the "horror genre" per se, with vampires, werewolves, and mummies, but the idea that the book should be scary because of the threat level that actual gods represent to mortals. 

I think that might be an interesting twist - he said the foes will be more powerful, but Wonder Woman herself will be pretty much the same (in his words, it's a "soft reboot" not a total overhaul of her). 


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Posted: 28 August 2011 at 8:41am | IP Logged | 7  

By the way, how does everyone feel about the new JSA book being placed on Earth-2?  Personally, I feel that it's about time.  I'm looking forward to it.
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JSA on Earth-2. I hope this means Superman, Wonder Woman and
Batman are back on the WW2 era team.
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Posted: 28 August 2011 at 9:18am | IP Logged | 9  

Earth-2 JSA has me intrigued.  I'm in for now.
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Posted: 28 August 2011 at 9:28am | IP Logged | 10  

I must admit, I'm a bit intrigued by Azzarello's Wonder Woman.  Although she's my favorite character, I haven't consistently read the book since JB left.  I've read a few random issues here and there, but even the highly touted runs of Rucka and Simone didn't interest me.  My interest is also mildly piqued about the Earth-2 JSA.

Even still, I doubt I'll end up actually reading these books.  There are still too many stumbling blocks.  In addition to interesting concepts, these books are going to have to prove to me that they're not weighted down with the same plodding pacing, incestuous storytelling, static artwork, and erratic release dates that's been plaguing the industry for years.  Without that, I won't waste my time or money on these new DC books.
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Posted: 28 August 2011 at 11:48am | IP Logged | 11  

I preferred having the JSA on the same Earth as the JLA.  It gave the older members (well, the surviving ones, anyway) a little extra something special because these were the guys the Big Guns (Superman, Batman, etc.) looked up to.  I think that's lost by dumping them on their own world. 

Also, the mix of oldies and newbies (interacting with the other present day heroes) seems to have been the magical ingredient that kept the book alive the last 10 years or so.  I'd be concerned that breaking them into a seperate universe (esp. if it also means we're back in WW2 again) means that this revival will last as long as the All-Star Comics revival in the 70s.

That said, I was fine with the characters on Earth-2 back in the day, and I liked All-Star Squadron, so whatever works.  I'll be interested in seeing what mix of characters and time periods are going to be used.  (I do think that Robinson having Jesse Quick pregnant in his last issue of Justice League offers evidence that he may be using the present day characters at least part of the time, so there's that.)

But geez, Didio and company really are stuck in the late 70s aren't they?

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Posted: 28 August 2011 at 12:22pm | IP Logged | 12  

Ok, Brad. Thanks for that. When I read: “This is not the Wonder Woman that you'll recognize from before besides the costume,”  I took it as they were planning on changing the WW character we know into something else.
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