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Adam Hutchinson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4502
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Posted: 22 August 2011 at 7:07am | IP Logged | 1
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I don't mind Azzarello's work one way or the other. I think it's just ok but to refuse to acknowledge that Wonder Woman's a superhero comic seems silly and a little pretenious. Ok maybe it'll have horror elements, even really overt ones, but it's still a comic titled "Wonder Woman" starring a super hero character named "Wonder Woman"! Any way you slice it, that's a super hero comic.
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Kip Lewis Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 March 2011 Posts: 2880
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Posted: 22 August 2011 at 9:18am | IP Logged | 2
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No worse than a few years ago, people were saying, the Fantastic Four aren't superheroes, because they don't go after criminals. (And that maybe his point. She's not fighting bank robbers and that ilk, like super-heroes do.)The problem is that I think too many people think super-hero just means costume crime-fighter. So, if heroes like Reed and Sue don't focus on the criminal element like Spider-man, they're not super- heroes (ie., crimefighters.) They don't allow for super-heroes to include other types of heroic activities like exploration, rescue, soldiering, etc. They feel stopping crime is the defining characteristic of a super-hero. My thought is, all costume crimefighters are super-heroes, but all super-heroes are not necessarily costume crimefighters. Though they're people who say Batman is a costume crimefighter, but not a super-hero because he has no powers.
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Mike Bunge Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1335
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Posted: 22 August 2011 at 9:36am | IP Logged | 3
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It's become fairly typical for creators to essentially hijack super-hero books and use them to tell non-super-hero stories because that's what the creator actually wants to do but no one will buy that kind of work. Mike
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 22 August 2011 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | 4
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I don't mind Azzarello's work one way or the other.Adam, have you checked out his Superman: For Tomorrow stoyline he did with Jim Lee. From that day on I try to pass on whatever he writes. As far as books I'm looking to pick up... Aquaman Justice League Action Superman Batman Detective Batman: TDK Green Lantern GL Corps Blackhawks OMAC Suicide Squad DC Universe Presents That's a $40 to $50 dollar investment a month. I'll give them three months to make me a believer. If after three months if they can't make me excited to pick up an issue, I'm out.
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Adam Hutchinson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4502
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Posted: 22 August 2011 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | 5
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Stephen I did read For Tomorrow and you're right it wasn't very good. I did enjoy his Broken City Batman story and his western Loveless. Though he pulled his "It's not a..." with that as well saying it wasn't a western. Sure looked like one to me though.
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Dan James Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 August 2011 Posts: 139
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Posted: 22 August 2011 at 3:52pm | IP Logged | 6
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I pre-ordered the 52 #1 issues from DCBService.com for $80 for all the issues. I figured I would give them a shot and how they looked. Now, when the option came to buy all 52 #2 issues for $80, I passed on that. I would rather wait to see how I feel about the first set. I suspect I will be down to 10 titles at the most after the #1.
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Tony Midyett Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 January 2010 Location: United States Posts: 2834
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Posted: 23 August 2011 at 12:40am | IP Logged | 7
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I ordered the Perez Superman, 'cuz it's Perez, and he's my #2 comics guy, after JB. The other 51 series? DC would have to pay me to read them.
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Mexico Posts: 1602
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Posted: 23 August 2011 at 10:59am | IP Logged | 8
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http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=3 556
The 52 new DCnU logos... I think not all of those could be considered as logos -some look like random words in fancy, but illegible, typography-.
Only ones I like are: Action Comics, Detective Comics, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and All Star Western -fortunately they kept the "classic" Superman logo and the versions of Superboy and Supergirl-.
>sigh<
Edited to add correct link, but I don't know how to make it work...
Edited by Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño on 23 August 2011 at 11:02am
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Jason Larouse Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 515
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Posted: 23 August 2011 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 9
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So JLA 1 is over 200,000 preorders now and 7 other titles are over 100,000. Those aren't bad numbers considering the state the market is in but the trick is going to be keeping them obviously.
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Greg Woronchak Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 1631
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Posted: 23 August 2011 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 10
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From what I've read, stores are offering discounts on purchasing all 52 issues, which may explain the inflated numbers. A friend of mine who works in a comic shop was glad someone came in 'off the street' and ordered 10 copies of Action Comics 1. It looks like speculators may be creeping back in before comics die out completely <g>.
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 23 August 2011 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 11
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Speaking of sales, how badly did the direct market affect sales? Take a peek: LINK.
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Mike Bunge Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1335
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Posted: 23 August 2011 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | 12
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That chart confirms what I've long thought. The traditional "doom and gloom" attitude toward comic sales is largely the byproduct of the collapse of DC from the late 60s on. That's the traditional "doom and gloom" as opposed to the modern "doom and gloom" produced by the last two decades. Mike
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