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Michael Todd
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shouldn't a Grant Morrison Action Comics available in stores and on digital devices be able to sell better than a 1975 issue of "Ghostly Tales"?

I don't know about that, but I do know that I'd rather read that issue of Ghostly Tales.

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Garry Porter II
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....tendency to make characters more realistic by saddling them with character flaws, to turn heroes into villains while making villains more heroic.

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To me, it's sad that this is the reality Ed, but you just described super hero comics from the 90's until now IMO.
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I'd buy the Ghostly Tales too, mainly because it's 25 cents and Action Comics is 4 dollars. Also, how many of those 135,000 were returned by newsstands?
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Robinson in many respects epitomizes everything I dislike in modern comics. In the the "Golden Age" mini-series, for the sake of a throwaway line, he undercut and dismissed the ideals and purpose of the character Mr. Terrific. "Rumor has it he acquired his aircraft company through intimidation and shady business practices. So much for "fair play," huh, Terry?"

Later, he gave us the story in which Starman, the Flash, and the Green Lantern willfully and unapologetically killed the Rag Doll and conspired to keep his murder a secret. Because super-hero death squads are cool and Ted, Jay, and Alan are exactly the sort of people who would do that.

Still, later, he no doubt gave tons of violence-junkie fans one of their best fixes with his "Mary-Sue Mist" character single-handedly killing the entire JL-Europe team. 'Cuz she's just that bad-ass...

As near as I can tell, James Robinson is nothing more than a second-generation wannabe Warren Ellis clone.

 

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Also, how many of those 135,000 were returned by newsstands?

Those were actual sales.  The print run of the book was about twice as big.

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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/08/20/the-new-wonder-woman- is-not-a-superhero-comic-its-a-horror-comic/

“It’s not going to be a superhero book. I can guarantee you that, it’s not a superhero book. It’s a horror book.”


An old 'mazing Man ad told: "DC: we made comics fun again."

Now they could write: "DC: sorry, it will never happen anymore".

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Michael Todd
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It's been done before.

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Perez's Wonder Woman run had some horror elements, with some creepy villains from Greek mythology. But Azzarello as WW's writer does not inspire confidence; he's one of those guys who has openly stated that he is not a fan of the superhero genre. 
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Joe, Azzarello may not be a fan of it, but he wrote the best "Flashpoint" tie-is of all the titles that came out.
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As to Captain Marvel and the Marvel Family, boy, a Darwyn Cooke series set
on Earth-S would be pretty awesome.
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I wish we could speak that into existence!
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It's hard to say if Azzarello even understands what "horror" means when it isn't being bastardized for marginal crud television shows and movies. I like Azzarello, but I've never read his superhero stuff outside of a Batman story or two.

If he means that Wonder Woman has a relationship to a world of creeping menace, the Lovecraftian, the Hellboyian, then I'm down with that. It'll be hard to drive me away from that book, in particular, just because Cliff Chiang is drawing it. I mean, Chiang is one of those artists who should always be supported.

Nicola Scott is another. Gabriel Hardman. Francesco Francavilla. Phil Winslade. Chris Samnee. I had to buy that stupid Red Hulk stuff for Hardman, because the fantastic ATLAS book was cancelled. I mean, really, what more need be said when ATLAS had to die so Red Hulk could live on? Thankfully, Hardman is off that book and going to work for BOOM! on a PLANET OF THE APES book, which can only be a really, really good thing. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33990



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"Joe, Azzarello may not be a fan of it, but he wrote the best "Flashpoint" tie-is of all the titles that came out."

I've read some of the Flashpoint books and I got a strong sense of it being essentially fanfic. So Azzarello might have written a fantastic story, but using the Flashpoint books as a yardstick doesn't tell me anything.
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