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Kip Lewis
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Yeah, Max Lord's JLA had UN standing, but it was more like a nation
(they had embassies and diplomatic immunity) then UN organization
like WHO or UN military. Plus since it is long since gone, I consider it
unsuccessful.
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Matt Hawes
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Aaron Smith wrote:
| ...Why does everything have to be absorbed into the main DC Universe? Stormwatch, Captain Marvel, the Spirit, the Archie superheroes... |
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I agree with your point, but it should be pointed out that the Archie superheroes were just licensed to DC, and Archie Comics still owns the characters.
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Mike Norris
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Yeah, Max Lord's JLA had UN standing, but it was more like a nation
(they had embassies and diplomatic immunity) then UN organization
like WHO or UN military. Plus since it is long since gone, I consider it
unsuccessful. ************************************************************ ************* Seemed like a pretty long run, especially in "Comic book years". My recollection was the embassies were UN properties and not like actual National Embassies and were considered international territory like the UN HQ. I seem to recall the old JLAofA had UN connections as well. But the JL(AEIOU) tends to get disbanded and revamped alot. Especially in recent years.
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Mike Norris
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...Why does everything have to be absorbed into the main DC Universe? Stormwatch, Captain Marvel, the Spirit, the Archie superheroes... ************************************************************ ** |
I agree with your point, but it should be pointed out that the Archie superheroes were just licensed to DC, and Archie Comics still owns the characters. ************************************************************ *** The Spirit isn't in the DCU proper either.
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Aaron Smith
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I'm glad the Spirit isn't then. As for the Archie characters, I enjoyed it more years ago when DC used them but had them in a seperate line, Impact, rather than integrated into the DCU.
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Thomas Moudry
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Must admit, I really enjoyed The Fly from the DC/Impact line. Great Mike
Parobeck artwork!
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Aaron Smith
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I loved Mike Parobeck's work. I miss it. He died way too young. His work on The Fly and on Justice Society was perfect for those titles. Clean, crisp, old-fashioned but modern at the same time.
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Joe Zhang
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The subsumed Charlton characters easily filled niches in the DC Universe. Captain Atom was the super-patriot. Blue Beetle became comedy relief. The Question took up the role of the detective that Ninja Batman abandoned. It didn't do the characters any good; they became permanent second-stringers. But they made DC's B-team more interesting.
I don't think the Wildstorm characters will fit into the DC Universe. They are as hard-bitten and cynical as "super-heroes" come. It was no accident that their most successful stories were written by Alan Moore and Warren Ellis. What's more likely is that the DC Universe itself will change to fit them instead.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 30 July 2011 at 8:15pm
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Matt Reed
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DC just screwed the Blue Beetle all to hell. He was never "comedy
relief" until he appeared alongside Booter Gold in the JL. Then about
as abruptly in comic book years he was the subject of a horrific death
that somehow spurred the DCU heroes to action. Sorry, but in
hindsight, he would have been better off left alone than given the fate
he had once incorporated into the DCU.
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Emery Calame
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They didn't do any better by Peacemaker, Captain Atom, Judo Master, or the Question. Or the the Fawcett bunch(Spy Smasher, Bulletman, the Marvel family) or the Quality bunch (Human Bomb, Doll Man, Black Condor, Phantom Lady, Kid Eternity, Red Bee, etc.).
They all pretty much got used for shit wipes and fire wood.
And DC liked Stormwatch/Authority so much they even cloned 'em. Remember "the Elite" ?
Edited by Emery Calame on 31 July 2011 at 5:37am
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Darren Ashmore
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Not to turn this into a pre-crisis vs. post crisis topic, but did anyone on the forum have any problem understanding the mutiverse idea of E-1, E-2, E-3, E-X, E-S, etc.? Even from a young age when I first encountered the JLA/JSA crossovers, the mutiple earths stuff was perfectly understandable and actually kind of neat. Ever since Crisis it seems to me DC has been trying to iron out the inconsistancies and contraditions of 50+ years of stories, where the most efficient method would have been to keep the multiple earths.
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Kip Lewis
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Stormwatch is not the Authority or vis versa. Yes, they shared some
members and the later spun out of the former, but they are two very
different teams. The former is basically the world's police force and
the later were earth's benevolant self-proclaimed rulers and
defenders.So while the Elite is a clone of the Authority, it isn't a clone of
Stormwatch.
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