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Jason Larouse Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 23 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | 1
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Irony?
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Mcfarlane, despite being part of the Image group, was always pretty good at getting his books out on time. In fact, that quote probably comes from experience because I recall Spawn and Youngblood doing a crossover near the beginning of Image and Spawn was on like issue 25 and Youngblood was on issue 8 (and Youngblood debuted before Spawn!). It was pretty jarring.
RE: his idea about bringing out the books: I would have debuted one a week for a year. That would be cool.
Edited by Jason Larouse on 2011 July 23 at 8:22pm
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 2011 July 23 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | 2
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The slow roll out is nothing new under the sun. DC has done it before as a matter of fact. Following CRISIS they released rebooted titles over a period of time in order to build anticipation and excitement. No, they didn't cancel their entire line and start everything from #1, but they've had experience canceling long running iconic hero titles in bunches and then teasing the audience with new titles over the course of several months to a year. Don't know why they didn't do that this time. Dumping over 50 titles on the market in a single month is daunting to say the least and some will certainly fall by the wayside very quickly.
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 7:36am | IP Logged | 3
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Mcfarlane, despite being part of the Image group, was always pretty good at getting his books out on time. ************** You obviously don't remember the debacle that was the release of issues 18/ 19 ( or 19/ 20, can't remember exact numbers) of SPAWN. And his releases up to that point weren't all exactly on-time either. I even remember his schedule being way off by the time it hit issue 100.
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 9:12am | IP Logged | 4
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I heard McFarlane is the primary reason IMAGE UNITED has been delayed/canceled.
SPAWN #19 shipped eight months after #18 as Brian pointed out. SPAWN wasn't on a monthly schedule regularly up to that point either. After that, Todd disappeared from regular comic work.
I agree with what McFarlane said in that link too but I don't think you can claim he has a good track record at keeping books coming out regularly.
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Bobby Beem Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 9:13am | IP Logged | 5
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The image at the top of the page still looks like Superman to me. It's Superman in a poorly designed costume, but still recognizable. I think the costume has trunks, too, they just happen to match the pants.
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Jason Larouse Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 9:19am | IP Logged | 6
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You obviously don't remember the debacle that was the release of issues 18/ 19 ( or 19/ 20, can't remember exact numbers) of SPAWN. And his releases up to that point weren't all exactly on-time either. I even remember his schedule being way off by the time it hit issue 100. **** 19 and 20 came out after 21 and 22 or something right? Looking at the credits, it looks like McFarlane didn't even draw 19 and 20 (he was doing Spawn/Batman I think) so the delays were probably on Greg Capullo's end (unless you know the full story and can fill me in). He didn't get all of the early Spawn books out on time but he was by far the most prompt. There's that famous story about how he chewed everyone out behind closed doors because he was the only one that hit his deadlines which leads me to believe that despite the public comments he made he did know how important deadlines were. When he was at Marvel he actually had a pretty strong reputation for hitting deadlines I believe. I recall hearing somewhere his promptness`is the reason he landed a lot of his early high profile jobs.
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Francesco Vanagolli Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 2005 June 03 Location: Italy Posts: 3130
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 10:06am | IP Logged | 7
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OK, reading some interviews and previews I feel a bit more interested in Superman, the only one of "my" characters I intend to keep following. They cancelled the marriage, and this is good for me: I don't want a depressed character, of course, but being married with the woman he loves, gave Superman a big happy ending... and eternal characters like him should never have that.
But the armored costume is still awful.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 8
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I never viewed the marriage of Clark and Lois as a "happy ending". However, just like with Peter and MJ, I did think that it took away from the characters in fairly major ways. But of all the iconic all ages superheroes, Superman should be the one who is happy, upbeat and loving his job as protector not only of Metropolis, but the world at large. That doesn't mean he doesn't struggle or face uncertainty in battle, but I don't see him as an outsider, as someone who questions his loyalty to either Earth or his departed Krypton, and I certainly don't see him as a character that rarely smiles. Much of the promo stuff I've seen for this "event" looks fairly grim and that's one word I don't associate with Superman.
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | 9
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No trunks. They talked about getting rid of his underwear. And they work for DC on the most iconic super-hero in the world. What the heck is going on here? The costume is ugly. Not realistic. He is Superman for dog's sake. The only realistic thing about him was the "man" part. You know, the part JB focused on in his reboot (or whatever the heck you want to call MOS).
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | 10
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I was watching some Justice League Season 1 DVD extra's last night and was listening to Bruce Timm talk about how this could be the only animated versions of these characters for the next 20 years, so they had to go with the classic iconic versions of Superman, et. al...I liked his rationale for their changes and appreciated his need to stay on model. I do wish they put John Stewart back in the original uniform though, as opposed to staying truer to his later, less green, look.
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 1:56pm | IP Logged | 11
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I'll admit I thought the flash and Green Lantern were cooler than Superman and Batman because they had cooler costumes. Though I also realize that a big part of it may have been the novelty, as I was so used to Superman and Batman's costumes that the sheer freshness of Flash and Green lantern may have been the draw. That is, I understand now that they are not necessarily better, just different AND good, so they are easy to like.Under re-examination, there is nothing wrong with Superman's costume. It works so well in so many different formats. Just look at Superman the Movie and see how well the the now classic costume works in the real world. This is the Superman everybody knows and loves. Like I said, they aren't going after new readers, they are going after the current readers of other titles, or the carnival costumer who may take a peek to see what they did to Superman's costume. If anything really works here or comes out of the reboot, it will be the digital format... But like i said for years now, right here, the comics we grew up with and the industry we loved is gone. They killed it and cannot save it. So they are changing it. Comics are becoming digital chapters of the next TPB. Hopefully, they will also realize that this move will kill the LCS and realize that Amazon and the internet is killing the book store. Then they can at least give us covers that help sell the books again, since we will be looking online to buy the TPBs. But I would imagine that by the time I'm dead, TPBs and anything published on paper will be a thing of the past... Oh, how I miss the smell of paper in the morning ;-)
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Dave Phelps Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2011 July 24 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 12
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Jason L, McFarlane was pretty good about hitting deadlines as a company guy (his cited reason for leaving Amazing was the three extra issues the book had during the summer and his concern that he wouldn't be able to do all of them in a timely fashion), but at Image, not so much. He took #16-18 off (Grant Morrison and Greg Capullo did a story) to do the Spawn/Batman story, but #19-20 were supposed to be by him and solicited as such. But then the series was running so late that he ended up just going straight to #21 instead (which clearly followed directly from Spawn/Batman). And then #19 and 20 showed up out of the blue one day by a fill-in team. Tom Orzechowski (of X-Men lettering fame) was the writer, but I don't recall the artist. Then he skipped #25 as part of the "Image X-Month" event (he did CyberForce instead) and never came back as penciller. After that I stopped reading and paying attention, but I remember hearing that at one point the book was so far behind the solicits that it was returnable for years.
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