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Stéphane Garrelie
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The Nick Cardy version is the one that seems right to me. But of course at a given point of time it is how the creative team in charge of the character makes it. There's after all no reason that he couldn't have had different version of his classic costume other the years.
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Ian Penman
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And, of course, Neal Adams did a pretty neat re-design of the costume some years back.
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Lance Hill
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The Earth-2 BatRobin costume is possibly the worst super-hero costume I've ever seen. Did the adult Robin costume come before that or afterwards? That one's quite nice, except for the colour of the tights.
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Mike Norris
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The grey "BatRobin" costume came first. The second, as mentioned, was designed by Neal Adams (on Earth 2 as well!!!!) and given to the Earth-1 Robin by the Earth-2 Robin after E-1's costume was damaged. The E-2 Robin started wearing it in the 70s revival of All-Star Comics. And wore it or a variation of it 'till he died in COIE.
Edited by Mike Norris on 06 May 2011 at 3:19pm
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Peter Martin
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Green shirt under red tunic, for me.
"How did this lame-o character ever survive into the modern era?" Because he's well loved, iconic, and there are no lame-o characters. Only lame-o imaginations and storytellers.
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Flavio Sapha
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Neal Adams did a pretty neat re-design of the costume some years back.
++++Love the Adams re-design. I have a problem with it nowadays, though: 
Robin's cape is JET BLACK and Batman's is bright BLUE???
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Eric Smearman
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Love the Adams design for Tim Drake.
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Glen Keith
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Discussions of whether or not a character can be lame, and whether Robin specifically is, usually come down to individual preference. Having said that, I must admit that ever since I was a little kid, I’ve always hated teen sidekicks. And as I’ve grown older, that contempt hasn’t really lessened that much. (even though I’ve learned to like some of them as individual characters)
Part of my distaste stems from the sheer concept, which just seem crass and condescending. You can almost imagine some one saying, “Boy, if kids like these superhero characters, they’ll like them even more if they’re KIDS, just like them!” But for me, I always felt more like, “Hey, they’re kids, just like me! How can they beat up an adult?” And mind you, this wasn’t a Rami-esque “If I couldn’t do it, no one could” sort of thing, it was more because I didn’t know any kid who could take an adult!
Part of it as well might be jealousy, I’ll admit. Thing is, I could dream that I could grow up to be Bat Man, Iron Man, or Superman, but I could never dream I’d be Robin or Speedy, or whomever. These guys were, at any given time, my age or just a little bit older, and could already do things I couldn’t think of doing. And they had rich guardians (the bastards!). I never could understand how I was supposed to identify with them.
But, perhaps what really galled me about them was the implication that they were better than the adult hero. Take Bucky. He does just about everything that Cap can do without having undergone the super-soldier treatment, and he doesn’t even carry a shield! Same with Robin: all the abilities it took Bat Man years to acquire were picked up by Robin in a matter of months! Including the detective abilities! Frankly, considering the head start he got, now that Dick is an adult, he should really be TWICE the hero Bat Man is. That he’s not is only because the writers have a mandate to keep Bat Man “cool.”
Any way! Man, I still hate teen sidekicks.
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Ian Penman
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They do belong in (and originate from) a different era. Today's creators generally find it difficualt to make them work,. Which is why most of the sidekicks have grown up. If it wasn't for the universal recognition of Robin the character would no longer be with us in name and recognisable (abeit undated) outfit.
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Glen Keith
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Yeah, they were definitely created for a more innocent time. Thinking about it, teen sidekicks had largely been sidelined by the late 70’s, when I really started reading comics. Robin had been sent to college, Speedy was in rehab, Bucky was still dead, and most of the others had just faded towards a fondly remembered obscurity. If it wasn’t for the Teen Titans revival in the 80’s, they might have disappeared forever, the victims of increased “realism” and “relevance,” or, at the very least, Stan Lee’s avowed hatred for them. Outside of Rick Jones’ (fortunately) brief stint as Bucky, I can’t think of any modern Marvel hero who’d have been caught dead palling around with a sidekick.
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Brian Floyd
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My only gripe with the 2nd Earth 2 Robin costume is that the legs should have been red, not yellow.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Contrary to the Cardy and Perez versions, Marshall Rogers drew it as a red shirt with green sleeves. That's what I always thought it was, myself (I've never seen the Perez or Cardy images until today).
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