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Eric Smearman
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As intriguing as all this is I'm not sure how much I would have liked all
this had it played out. I recall being pretty distressed at the sight of
the Hulk killing an innocent deer. I always liked the hypermuscular,
child-like Hulk (although I tended to dislike it when his childish
qualities would be played up for laffs. "Hulk like beans!" Yeesh!)
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Stephen Robinson
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I always liked the hypermuscular,
child-like Hulk (although I tended to dislike it when his childish
qualities would be played up for laffs. "Hulk like beans!" Yeesh!)
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SER: The version of the Hulk that slowly developed after he returned in TALES TO ASTONISH is essentially the "misunderstood, good monster." He doesn't like "puny humans" -- not so much because he's a deranged misanthrope -- but because they are always trying to kill him or are running away from him in fear. He tends to become friends with any "puny human" who does *not* do this.
I also enjoyed the minor philosophical aspect of the Hulk seeing himself as unique -- he is not "puny human," he is not "Banner," he is not a "monster." Hulk is "Hulk."
I think there's a reason this version of the character is so popular. He's undeniably a good guy. And the misunderstood aspect relates to most kids (it certainly did to me). When done well, you can still "root" for Banner and the Hulk -- even though their goals are at cross purposes. Arguably, though, perhaps the Hulk *wants* the same thing as Banner -- peace, but he can only get it by being cured.
The "darker" Hulk is more complex and arguably interesting but I'm not sure how relatable he is to kids.
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Eric Smearman
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SER: I think you've hit the nail on the head in articulating why I loved
the Hulk so much as a kid. I was always more of a DC guy but the
Hulk ranks very high (along with fellow Marvels Spider-Man and the
FF) among my very favorite comic book characters.I seem to recall first seeing the "primal" Lee-Kirby Hulk in a reprint
story in a Giant Size Defenders. That mean, Frankensteinian looking
creature bore little more than superficial resemblance to the green-
skinned goliath I recognized. Particularly scary was his pursuing Rick
Jones to a cliff's edge and leaning into him saying, "And now---
REVENGE!" That scene gave my 8 year old self a couple of really
bad dreams! Almost scared me off the character completely.
Edited by Eric Smearman on 30 March 2011 at 1:16pm
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Doug Jones
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Will somebody kindly scan and post that bad-ass full page shot of
Samson sucker-punching the Hulk? One of my favorite single panels of
all-time!
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John R. Clarke
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The only time I really ever liked the Hulk was when JB was doing it. And that Samson shot is indeed awesome!
Edited for typo.
Edited by John R. Clarke on 30 March 2011 at 1:46pm
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Aaron Smith
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That was my favorite punch ever!
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Pete Carrubba
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Brian Hunt
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Yup. I think I stared at that page for hours. It's a thing of beauty.
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Garry Porter II
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to get a real good idea of where JB was going with the Hulk, check out the issue of Fantastic Four where JB was still writer/artist. i can't remember the numbering, but it was the cover of Fantastic Four where Reed was up above New York City, supposedly fighting the tentacles of Dr. Octopus.
and it's the story where Sue just had her miscarriage, but was still in the hospital very ill. there wasn't much Reed could do, so he commissioned to have Dr. Otto Octavius there and Dr. Robert Bruce Banner. Octavius was allowed to have his "arms" because Reed wanted some type of special procedure done with Sue, that might have required his tentacles. but, Banner and Octavius had words and one thing led to another. and then.....BAM!!
Doc Ock laid Banner down on the hospital floor in the hallway or waiting room. Uh oh!! trouble for Dr. Octopus.
now, it's here that the most peculiar and weird thing in my mind, started to happen......Banner changed from himself to the Hulk.......seemingly "IN CONTROL" of the change the entire time.
then, he talked to Reed and Doc Ock, seemingly as the Hulk....just with Bruce Banner's mind and personality. then he, at will, changed right back to Bruce Banner, seemingly with his whole memory intact, when he was the Hulk. this told me that in this scene, Bruce didn't suffer the "blackouts" to his memory he usually does when he is the Hulk.
i always wondered about that scene and how cool it would have been if that would be the norm for the Hulk. to do that, in control, every issue. to have Banner and Hulk written like that all the time.
because eventhough, up unto that time, and correct me if i'm wrong, we had seen the Hulk, with Banner's mind, a full, conscious change to the Hulk and back was something totally new.
and, as far as i know, this only happened, in that one issue, in those few panels, in Fantastic Four, of all places to happen.
that strange, but cool change(even for the Hulk) was never seen again after that issue.
always was a mystery to me. until, i read that article.
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Brian Rhodes
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Banner was in control of the transformations (and his mind was in control of the Hulk) over in The Incredible Hulk at that time.
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James Lansberry
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The "punch heard `round the world"...still love it!
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Doug Jones
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Sweet mama, there it is.Thanks, Pete!
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