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Andrew Davey
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Posted: 07 February 2011 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 1  

Really fantastic news... not that comics are doomed, or that you have to break the Nextverse, but that we are getting MORE Next Men.

While not normally being the greedy sort, the more Next Men out is a a really good thing as I am enjoying the ride. Here's to a long and fruitful run.

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The NEXT MEN sequel is a go-ahead, but IDW has requested that I continue with the numbering from the previous series, so NEXT MEN: AFTERMATH, not AFTERMATH as a brand new show.

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JB, reading this, it says to me that you haven't yet made up your mind, but it's what you're most likely going to do.  If that is the case, does it need to be called Aftermath?  As it continues straight from the current series and features a few of the characters, why not just keep calling it Next Men?

I assume that ideally you'd prefer to have it being a completely different series, but if you're going to call it 'Next Men: Aftermath #??' why not drop the 'Aftermath' from the title? and just use it as the overall title for that particular arc?


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Getting back on the original topic of this thread, I see that we are looking thru the other end of the telescope from where comics were back at the dawn of the Silver Age.

At that time, after trial runs in Showcase, both Flash and Green Lantern started in their new titles with "tricks": The Flash continued the numbering of the original Golden Age title with #105. The first issue of Green Lantern didn't have an issue number on it.

  

At that point, publishers were afraid customers wouldn't want to pick up comics that didn't have some sort of track record, proof that there was some longevity. Now the publishers have to trick the retailers, who seem adverse to *give* the comics longevity!
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So we get to read the end of Next Men, which we've waited over 15 years for, in the near future, and we still get a monthly dose of Next Men (of a sort) after that?  I think that's what is meant by having your cake and eating it too!

 

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Is it possible to do an ongoing series without issue numbers on the cover?
Just make them FEB 2011, as magazines do. I realize that magazines have
issue numbers as well, but no one says "You'll find the article in Vanity Fair
#533." They say it's in the March Vanity Fair.

I know most companies wouldn't want to do this -- their business model
being fairly issue-number-centric -- but in the case of something like
Aftermath, could you just ask IDW not to number them?

Hell, if I were an EOC, I might install a no-number policy just to instill a
sense of deadline in my writers and artists.

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Hell, if I were an EOC, I might install a no-number policy just to instill a sense of deadline in my writers and artists.

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Make it difficult for know-nothing EiCs to claim that fans don't "expect" the books to come out monthly, if the month they were supposed to ship was the only indicator of their publication order!

"Sure, it says JULY 2011 on the cover, but you didn't really EXPECT it in July of 2011, did you?"

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And we must again ask the Eternal Question --- how far away was the Flash when the Mirror Master started talking??

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1. I have a really bad habit of abbreviating Editor In Chief as EOC.

2. JB wrote: Make it difficult for know-nothing EiCs to claim that fans
don't "expect" the books to come out monthly, if the month they were
supposed to ship was the only indicator of their publication order!

It occurred to me when I wrote it that Magazines can date their issues
because they never — never! — miss their shipping dates. In fact, I tried to
think of another entertainment medium that routinely ignores deadlines,
and I could think of none. There are movies that fall behind schedule, but
missing an announced release date is very rare, and getting behind
schedule has real, contractual consequences. And while TV shows build in
time off so they can produce new episodes for key ratings periods, it
takes a development of Charlie Sheen proportions for them to miss their
deadlines.

I can't help but think that it's the paltry sales of comics that keeps them
under the radar — if their parent companies saw them as anything other
than license holding companies (if, in short, they were expected to be
profit centers in and of themselves), there would surely be some kind of
reckoning.

Which brings up a question of perverse incentive: is it possible that it's in
the best interest of some people in comics to keep the business small and
insular? That sounds like a conspiracy, but I don't mean it that way. You
hear all the time from indie filmmakers that the key to staying
independent and doing what you want is to stay small and low budget. I
wonder if that ethos is at work at DC and Marvel. "As long as they make
money off the characters in movies, they don't really expect us to make
money, and they pretty much leave us alone."

I've often felt that what comics needs is a Steve Jobs type -- someone
who is obsessed with turning what had become a small, niche company
into something that matters to a lot of people again.

But as I look at comics -- specifically the big 2 -- I honestly don't see
that happening, because I don't think the people involved even want that
to happen.

If the worst thing that can befall an ailing industry is that the people
running it don't even know it's dying, well, ladies and gentlemen, I give
you comic books. The powers that be don't see a problem, because on a
day to day basis, they have fun jobs, so what's the problem? They get to
talk about comics and submit stories and art when they feel like it, and
they get to call themselves successful because they're getting paid off of
work other people are doing in other media. The powers that be at DC
congratulate themselves because Grant Morrison is the most successful
Batman writer since Frank Miller — but the truth is, neither Morrison nor
Miller are even in the ballpark. Not even in the parking lot of the ballpark.
In terms of doing anything with the character that more than a handful of
people know about, Chris Nolan is the most successful Batman writer
since Sam Hamm and Warren Skaaren.

Comics is an industry that has produced so many iconic characters that
"comic book movie" is now a full fledged genre (the western of its time),
and yet the very medium that created those characters now doesn't even
matter.

I find it darkly funny that one of the biggest "hits" in comics recently
portrayed superheroes as zombies. I can't think of a more apt metaphor.
Comic book companies are the walking dead, kept alive by the mysterious
force of movie money. That money is going to go away, because
somewhere along the line, someone at Disney or Warners is going to say
"Why are we propping up this dead industry when we can keep the
licenses alive by selling trades of back issues. It's not like they're giving us
anything new."

We can talk all day about all-ages material and comics in grocery stores
and comics on iPads, but when it comes down to it, the people who make
comics won't do it because why bother — they're a success without it!
Didn't you see the commercial for Thor on the Super Bowl?

Sorry for the rant. But they're really fucking dumb.

*For the record, I like a good deal of Grant Morrison's writing. I'd love to
see what he could do if he were even remotely edited or supervised.

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The powers that be at DC congratulate themselves because Grant Morrison is the most successful Batman writer since Frank Miller — but the truth is, neither Morrison nor Miller are even in the ballpark. Not even in the parking lot of the ballpark. In terms of doing anything with the character that more than a handful of people know about, Chris Nolan is the most successful Batman writer since Sam Hamm and Warren Skaaren.

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This is why I grouse endlessly about the lack of fidelity to the source material. Bryan Singer's "vision" of the X-Men IS the X-Men. Sam Raimi's "vision" of Spider-Man IS Spider-Man. Frank Miller's "vision" of the Spirit IS (Dog help us) the Spirit.

And Chris Nolan's "vision" of Batman's world -- which started out so well with BATMAN BEGINS, and ran off the rails so badly with THE DARK KNIGHT -- IS Batman.

Just as Adam West WAS Batman to legions of TV viewers. (And compared to what has come since, "Batman" was so faithful as to be practically reverent!)

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AFTERMATH is a great name.  I am not sure how it would all fit into the title: John Byrne's Next Men Aftermath but I am loving this.  Comic sales might be in the toilet but for us Byrne fans this is a great time to be alive!

OT - That Spirit film sucked.
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Posted: 07 February 2011 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | 11  

Very excited by the green-lighted series.

I hope it will have a very long run.

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Posted: 07 February 2011 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | 12  

Sean wrote:
Sorry for the rant. But they're really fucking dumb.

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Don't be sorry.  I thought your post was spot-on brilliant.  And yes, yes they are.

 

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