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Tony Midyett Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 January 2010 Location: United States Posts: 2834
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Posted: 08 November 2010 at 11:12pm | IP Logged | 1
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Didn't the artwork in that "Meltdown" mini-series portray Logan with huge forearms? Maybe that artist was over-thinking the whole "claws in their sheathes" thing? Then again, in that mini he also had a hawk-like nose and long, slicked-back hair, so he really was pretty far off-model in every way.....
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7898
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 2:37am | IP Logged | 2
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Yes, but by the time Meltdown came out, Marvel was allowing 'interpretations' of Wolverine. The Frank Miller illustrated mini was the first where artistic license was used. From then on, the floodgates opened. And that to me is the tragedy of the 80's comics. We had such amazing stories and art work and to a large part the experiments worked. BUT, what came after, by people who didn't seem to understand that a lot of those experiments still respected the original intent of a character, was just depressing, in so many ways. This led to the 90's where writers / artists just seemed to want to put their stamp on a character, either through ridiculous stories (Teen Tony Stark etc) or just awful costume designs (Throw a dart, any dart, you'll hit a character that started with a really good costume and in the 90's had that costume designed by a blind person (Wasp and Hawkeye are really good examples of this))
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 5:07am | IP Logged | 3
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Raising an interesting point: Disney is maniacal about keeping their characters ON MODEL. Will this filter down to Marvel? No more flavor-of-the-month artists bringing their "interpretation" to the characters?Comics survived and thrived for decades doing just that -- making sure that Superman always looked like Superman, Batman always looked like Batman, etc, no matter who was drawing them. When Neal Adams showed up at DC, he was about as different from Carmine Infantino artistically as you could get, and yet his early Batman looked like the same guy Carmine was drawing. When I took over the X-Men from Dave Cockrum I worried about keeping the characters as close to Dave's version as I could (even tho Dave had, indeed, made changes to Cyclops I did not care for). I even asked for Sam Grainger to continue as the inker, to maintain visual continuity. Probably wouldn't hurt if this kind of thinking became S.O.P. at Marvel again!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 5:14am | IP Logged | 4
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I have always perceived them as sharp on the underside/inside the curve, despite the image from JB's early X-Men ish (where the poke-holes are visible in the control panel)_ _ _ _ _ _ V V V V V V (Kinda like so) The slicing edge is inside like a scythe. •• First published image of Wolverine (excluding house ads):
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Tony Midyett Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 January 2010 Location: United States Posts: 2834
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 5:36am | IP Logged | 5
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I like the costume, but whatever made them go with yellow? Wolverines are dark brown/black. He's a government operative, and the Canadian flag's red and white. Who decided on yellow, anyway?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 7:56am | IP Logged | 6
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but whatever made them go with yellow?•• Blue and yellow are the colors of the Michigan State Wolverines. No really. THAT'S why.
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Brian Joseph Mayer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 December 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 8:56am | IP Logged | 7
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I always liked that reasoning when I was a kid and my childhood self actually came up with that long before i heard the story. Here is how it went for me... I know he was a government soldier, though I didn't get he was a Canadian one. Therefore, I believed he would be given his outfit as opposed to making it himself. So, my kid-self actually got excited at the idea that his commander (because at a young age it made perfect sense that his boss would design a costume too) must be a HUGE Michigan fan just like me. Looking back it is kind of silly to think that I knew about college football first followed by Logan before I really learned what a wolverine was.
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 31343
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 9:11am | IP Logged | 8
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JB, they'll never let you back in the state of Michigan, now. It's the Michigan State Spartans. The Wolverine is the mascot for the University of Michigan.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 November 2010 at 9:46am | IP Logged | 9
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To borrow a phrase from Sherlock Holmes, I did not know that, and now that I do, I shall do everything I can to forget it!
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7898
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Posted: 10 November 2010 at 2:10am | IP Logged | 10
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Not wanting to sound like a Frank Miller basher (Because I'm not), but ..... Was Frank the first one to give Batman a specialised suit in Dark Knight Returns #4? Was this another floodgate that he opened?
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Dale Lerette Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 24 March 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 750
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Posted: 10 November 2010 at 7:13am | IP Logged | 11
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I don't think any artist did it this way, but I picture Wolverine's claws as a combination of blades running smoothly to a taper along the length of his claws. This makes sense to me (if he will use the length of the blade for cutting like a knife).
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 November 2010 at 7:22am | IP Logged | 12
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Was Frank the first one to give Batman a specialised suit in Dark Knight Returns #4? Was this another floodgate that he opened?•• Nope. That dates back to before Frank was even born!
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