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JT Molloy
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Are all of you "everything will be digital" people rich or something? You think some inner city kid is gonna be reading on an expensive piece of draining battery? Let alone some middle class one?
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I don't see young kids using digital readers for comics - they will do
video games, but I just don't see this.

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Despite it's drawbacks, I see a day coming, when such a device will become the new Trapper Keeper for school.

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Are all of you "everything will be digital" people rich or something? You think some inner city kid is gonna be reading on an expensive piece of draining battery? Let alone some middle class one?
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JT, as a tablet like this becomes more a part of everyday life, you can bet the price will drop. If it were to become a necessity for school, the American tax payer will fit the bill.
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Ok then, 15 Marvel comics that should be on the newstands/walmart/on-model/all-ages/on-time/each-story self-contained or three-issue arc at most.

Spider-Man
The Fantastic Four
The Avengers
Hulk
Thor
X-Men
Wolverine (inevitably)
Daredevil
A Team-Up book (to introduce other Marvel characters)
Captain America
Iron Man
3 more, you guys choose

In the Marvel case, I'd eschew Daredevil (because he's a sociopath and his stories are grim and not very "fun"). You already have Wolverine and you have to "lighten" him up for this purpose.

For that matter, the Hulk is problematic too. He's a giant bullying psychopath. Gotta fix that. Then slap him in the Defenders, because the Hulk works better around other heroes to bounce off.

  • FF
  • Spider-Man
  • Cap (Steve Rogers) and the Falcon
  • Hulk and the Defenders
  • Iron Man and the Avengers
  • Black Panther
  • Guardians of the Galaxy
  • Mighty Thor
  • Wolverine and the Uncanny X-Men
  • MARVEL TEAM-UP starring Spider-Man
  • Human Torch
  • White Tiger
  • MARVEL HORROR stories starring Werewolf, Man-Wolf, Man-Thing, Zombie, ect.
  • MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE starring Wolverine
  • Spider-Girl

That's 14 titles. People sleep on the Human Torch in his own book. The Torch could be very popular. You get some science fiction, some horror, some humor, some ethnicity, some kung-fu, and so on, while pimping your best characters. Also, actually call the comic THE HULK AND THE DEFENDERS. It's clumsy, but you're selling a product here. Plus you get to whore Spider-stuff and Wolverine in several books.

On the DC Comics side:

  • BRAVE AND THE BOLD starring Batman
  • DETECTIVE COMICS starring the Batman Family (Green Arrow, Huntress, Black Canary, Man-Bat, Dick Grayson, ect)
  • Batman
  • Superman
  • ACTION COMICS starring the Superman Family (Supergirl, Jimmy Olsen, the Guardian, Superboy, ect)
  • Superman and the Justice League of America
  • STRANGE ADVENTURES stories starring Weird DC Heroes: Creeper, Question, Doom Patrol, GI Robot, Creature Commandos, Bizarro, ect.
  • The Flash
  • Green Lantern
  • DC PRESENTS starring Green Lantern team-ups
  • Robin and the Teen Titans

Eleven titles.

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I do think the iPad is the new 7-11. 

The question is, will the industry respond with material suitable to the new, wider audience suddenly available to them or will they continue to write juvenile fiction aimed at grown men? 
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"Despite it's drawbacks, I see a day coming, when such a device will become the new Trapper Keeper for school"

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Don't get me wrong - I agree for older teens.  But not young kids that are the target.  Books aren't going away in the same way that movie theaters didn't go away when TV started.  There will always be a use for books.  Magazines and newspapers not so much - technology can replace things that have that kind of immediacy.  But books for kids will stay with us.



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Are all of you "everything will be digital" people rich or something? You
think some inner city kid is gonna be reading on an expensive piece of
draining battery? Let alone some middle class one?

The first iPod was introduced at $399 and $499. Now, there are lots of
middle class and "inner city" kids with digital music players.

If schools begin using tablets instead of textbooks, it's likely they'll be
free to a lot of kids.

If libraries begin letting you use tablets like they let you use computers,
that's another way.

And obnoxious as it may be, the fact that low income people can't afford
something has never really stopped changes like this from happening, has
it?

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Hell, books for adults are staying too.  You can always find a hardback of the original version of David McCullough's "1776" in a used bookstore because so many people bought that deluxe illustrated edition with the document recreations.  It's not whether books will stay around, it's the form they will take.  This whole Jetsons future of sanitized surroundings is not going to completely take us over - we're always going to want some things to be tactile. 


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Books aren't going away in the same way that movie theaters didn't go
away when TV started.

In the mid 1940s, just before the widespread adoption of TVs, movie
theater attendance was around 60 million per week in the US. Between
1946 and 1960, movie theater attendance dropped 75%.

60 million tickets a week comes out to something like 3 billion per year.
Attendance this year, in a much, much larger country was 1.4 billion. Box
office dollars are way up because it costs a fortune to see a movie, not
because more people are going.

Movie theaters didn't go away, but this went from a nation where almost
everyone went to a movie every week to a nation where most people go
about 4 times a year.

You are now much, much more likely to have seen a movie at home than
in a theater.

And ask the big 3 TV networks what happened when cable channels
proliferated because of digital technology. The technology changes, and
peoples habits change.

I'm sorry to keep harping on this. I'll stop.

Edited by Sean Blythe on 03 November 2010 at 5:00pm

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Theaters still offer an experience that can't be had at home. Usually that experience is having a bunch of strangers talk and text and kick your seat while you're trying to watch a movie...
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Sean, the larger point is that TV was supposed to kill movies completely.  They survived in a different form.  I don't question your numbers, but movies now feed TV content in addition to having their own life.  It's all in the mix the same way digital and tactile books will exist

Comic books can indeed go digital for older readers, but books need to be in kids' hands.  And books will not go away, they will take a different form.




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Nathan Greno
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Anyone else still curious what Brian Joseph Mayer does for a living?

I'm still curious myself!

You out there,
Brian Joseph Mayer? :)

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Flavio: I am with Nathan.

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Oh well... Some things best remain a mystery! :)

 

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