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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 02 November 2010 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | 1
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JB-The industry has placed itself in a position wherein making any real, positive, sweeping changes would be effectively the same as starting over as a new business. And rule of thumb for new business is "Prepare to lose money for the first few years." So, to really accomplish anything, the publishers would have to be prepared to give up their guaranteed profits, small as they are, and take some very real RISKS.---- I really think this is at the heart of why Brevoort posted what he did. We post ideas that we believe will help monthly comic book sales. We don't always discuss what it would take to implement these ideas. I generally think any idea that we've suggested will wind up costing Marvel in the short term. The benefit will be in the long term gains. When discussing ideas here, I just assume that most everybody commenting here is smart enough to know that, so that discussion isn't needed. To someone trolling the forum, they seem like easy instant fixes. Take distribution for example. A lot of us agree that monthly books should be found in other places than a comic shop, ( grocery stores, pharmacies, convenient stores, etc...). This isn't easy to do under the current contract with Diamond. Some do get out, you find them in the major book stores along with the collected trades. So, you either have to wait out the Diamond contract or break it. Most of us wish they could just break it, but that gets expensive. How expensive? I don't know what Diamond's profits are off of Marvel comics each month or how much longer the contract has. Then there the Mark Waid theory. As best as I can figure, he believes that comics as a monthly periodical is going to all but fade away. Monthlies will go strictly online via digital apps. or subscriptions and only see paper when collected for trades. If that forecasting is accurate, is it worth the push to put monthlies back in every corner market? I believe in a few years, he may very well be right, but portable readers, like the iPad need to become more common place for it to really work. So, where does Marvel make it's push? Printed or digital? Or, do they just hold the fort until the digital comic becomes a viable source of revenue and hope the bottom doesn't fall out in between. Marvel appears to be doing the ladder.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 November 2010 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | 2
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Personally, if at all possible, I'd break the Diamond contract and push printed until digital is viable. Then spend more money on advertising on TV spots to get new younger readers. Just make sure your content is appropriate enough to back it up.
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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 November 2010 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | 3
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Anyone else still curious what Brian Joseph Mayer does for a living?
I'm still curious myself!
You out there, Brian Joseph Mayer? :)
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 November 2010 at 6:55pm | IP Logged | 4
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So, where does Marvel make it's push? Printed or digital? Or, do they just hold the fort until the digital comic becomes a viable source of revenue and hope the bottom doesn't fall out in between. Marvel appears to be doing the ladder. Well, Marvel/DC says they basically lose money on the printed crap, so why would they even entertain a notion of anything but digital. Oh by the way at which point I never read another new Marvel/DC comic again?
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 November 2010 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | 5
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I am with Nathan.
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 November 2010 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | 6
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Panini sells MARVEL and DC books reprints by the bucketload in Brazil. It's all available in common newsstands. The material, obviously, sucks, as it is from 2 years ago, more or less. But people just LOVE the characters so much...
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 November 2010 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | 7
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Well, Marvel/DC says they basically lose money on the printed crap, so why would they even entertain a notion of anything but digital?----- Bacause digital being the only way to get monthly titles is still probably 3-4years away. There are not enough portable reader tablets, ie iPads, on the market yet. Plus at this point, it would almost be to Marvel's advantage that a PC based tablet becomes available. Right now they are supporting two different digital platforms. There online subscription service is FLASH based which APPLE products will not support. The other is the iPad/iPod app. Right now,the app reader works better than there online service reader. So, which do you support? It all boils down to this. When there are as many iPads and a competitiors tablets on the streets as there are cell phones, you'll more than likely never see a printed monthly again, accept maybe as a small batch run, sort of like record albums now are. (BTW, can the NOOK and KINDLE run comics?)
Edited by Stephen Churay on 02 November 2010 at 11:06pm
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 November 2010 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | 8
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Panini sell reprints in newsstands in the UK as well. We also have a range of younger readers material that cntains new stories for younger kids. I have no idea as to sales figures for either type but certainly the reprints have been going for years and cost considerably less per issue than a first run American version (Each issue contains 3 issues of reprints)
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Brad Brickley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 November 2010 at 12:31am | IP Logged | 9
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(BTW, can the NOOK and KINDLE run comics?)
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They could I suppose, but only B&W. I think it'd only be good on the bigger Kindle Deluxe though, the regular Kindle is paperback size. Kindles has a nice sharp B&W screen, so Essentials or Showcases would look good on the Deluxe. Amazon has said a color screen is a few years away while they work on making it look as good as colored paper.
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James Revilla Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 November 2010 at 12:35am | IP Logged | 10
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I'm curious, does anyone know. What would be the cost reduction if they stopped printing altogether? You'd ahve writers, artists, but with no printing or distribution, what would the cost of a comic drop to?
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 November 2010 at 12:48am | IP Logged | 11
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James W.,Marvel gets around the Diamond contract in America by putting various stories for a particular character in magazine format. They do it for Iron Man, Spider-Man and Wolverine/ X-Men. They don't do it for there entire line and the stories are generally taken from the Marvel Adventures line.
Edited by Stephen Churay on 03 November 2010 at 12:51am
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 November 2010 at 12:54am | IP Logged | 12
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What would be the cost reduction if they stopped printing altogether? You'd ahve writers, artists, but with no printing or distribution, what would the cost of a comic drop to?---- Right now the Marvel app charges $1.99 per issue in most cases, same with DC. I'd be very surprised if that ever dropped. If you're referring to Marvel's cost, I don't know. To my understanding, average printing cost per issue range from .75 cents to $1.00 depending on the print run. Digital monthlies would also cut out Diamond who also takes a good chunk of the pie.
Edited by Stephen Churay on 03 November 2010 at 12:59am
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