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Greg Woronchak
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plus kids like the ads if they are aimed at them.

I don't mind print ads myself; as a matter of fact, part of my enjoyment of vintage issues are the ads <g>!


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In the 'good old days' a typical comic was half ads…

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That actually represents a fairly short portion of the history of comics, and, to be technically accurate, a 50/50 ad/editorial balance was not reached. The closest we got was when the page count shrank to 17 for the actual stories, which, adding in the letter column and the bullpen page, meant 13 out of 32 pages were turned over to advertising (including house ads).

That lowest period lasted from shortly after I joined the industry (my second issue of IRON FIST, in MARVEL PREMIERE, was one page shorter than my first) to around the time we did X-MEN 138 (there I added some pages to our original plot, to bring it up to the new count of 22). So that's about three years of the minimal page count.

The drop to that point had been spasmodic, to say the least. Page counts were evidently not so important in the Lee/Kirby days, for instance, as sometimes a book like FANTASTIC FOUR would have 22 pages of story, sometimes 24. It took about ten years for the pages to trend downwards to 18, when the count sat for a while, until the drop to 17 happened.*

After the return to 22, tho, the number remained consistent until very recently -- almost thirty years!!

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* Roger Stern used to tell of working with Marie Severin on one of the Spider-Man titles. She turned in her first issue with 18 pages, and Rog assumed his plot had required that extra page. Then the next issue also came with with 18. Don't recall how many issues it took, but eventually someone realized that no one had told Marie the books now had 17 pages!

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I'm not saying this to be snarky or contentious -- I really want to know: is
there anyone engaged in this discussion who actually believes that
comicbooks printed on paper will ever be a growing business again?

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I see no trend to suggest that they "will"

But niether do I see a reason that they "can't"

If new strategies are not invented, it appears they "won't"

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I still think the best "new strategy" would be the oldest strategy: get the books into the maximum number of venues, get them out on time, and make them universally accessible.

What is happening in the industry currently is a classic representation of the old definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time.

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Paul: Hey Mark,
I didn't know it worked that way Mark. I thought that if the studio gave
you
the money for a movie, you still needed to produce a movie. Whether it
was
show or not is a different issue.
If what you're saying is true, then I have just done something my cat says
i
never will. I have learned.

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Ha! We showed that cat!

Sort of... The sense of your post was accurate for most directors in the
biz, but the rules are different for the elite. Some famous gigantic pay-
days have occurred for projects that were never shot or shot by other
people. Not every director can get a first look deal or a pay or play offer.

So I was "correcting" you only in the sense that you said comics should
be held to the standards of Hollywood directors, and the irony is that
because there are two standards-- they already are.

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I still think the best "new strategy" would be the oldest strategy: get the books into the maximum number of venues, get them out on time, and make them universally accessible.
What is happening in the industry currently is a classic representation of the old definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time.

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I just witnessed a small reason to believe in this strategy.

I just had a big party and my friends brought their kids-- 15 total. I have a box of old comics in the living room for anyone to grab and read (and tear apart, etc). A great moment at
the party was going in the living room and finding six kids (6y.o to 11y.o.) spread out and reading comic books.

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If they ran an ad on TV for the printed comics in the middle of the same comic's cartoon show, I'm sure it'd boost sales. In the places that carry newsstand edition comics anyway.

Here's an easier way, and cheaper too.On the animated, have a character that likes to read comics, and put it in the show, during the show, so it isn't even a paid ad. ( product placement )

Wonder if Marvel's watching...


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Hehe, every episode could be dedicated to selling a new toyline or comic. :> "We can only defeat Doom by going out and using the X (IN STORES NOW!!!)" </g>
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1. Break their Diamond Distribution contracts!!!

2. Advertise comics in something outside of comics.

3. Get comics onto periodicals racks everywhere.

4. Produce good material accessible to all ages across
    the board.

5. Let heroes be heroes again!!! No more introspective,angsty,emo
    crap!!

6. Use some common sense for pete's sake get it done on time!!

Marvel and DC both need to do these things.They need the people to
get books done and those can do the leg work to beat the bushes to
promote the books!!! No I don't just mean going to conventions either.
If they like stunts so much why not pull a few in the real world to
promote the material?
Why not put your A-list talent on Leno or Letterman,and Conan?
How about radio ads?
Ads on Buses and taxis?
Billboards?
Free handouts on the street?
Since Marvel is part of Disney have a comic book preview show on
Disney XD so kids can find out about new stuff and get to see Q&A
sessions with artists?

 Am I throwing out anything a normal person couldn't?If they really
feel 100% in the material doing these things should be like breathing
to them.




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Earlier JB mentioned the Hollywood aspects of the current comic book industry, and lo and behold we get this statement from Brevoort and Alonso at the latest Marvel press conference discussing their .1 intitiative.

Brevoort compared the various comics series to "Lost," which had some episodes that might try to catch new viewers up to speed. "Now, we're doing 'a very special episode' of these series," he said. "We're giving people a nice, labelled, spotlighted, 'start here.'" Brevoort said there may be some manner of guide to future issues or other .1 titles in the back of the issue, but "nothing sells you on the next issue better than making this issue really good." Alonso compared potential backmatter to "next week on 'Mission Impossible'"-type teasers. "Nothing got me more excited," he said, "so we've talked about doing something like that."

Here's the link to the complete article.


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29213

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 Chris Cottrill wrote:
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1. Break their Diamond Distribution contracts!!!

2. Advertise comics in something outside of comics.

3. Get comics onto periodicals racks everywhere.

4. Produce good material accessible to all ages across
    the board.

5. Let heroes be heroes again!!! No more introspective,angsty,emo
    crap!!

6. Use some common sense for pete's sake get it done on time!!


100% total agreement on all points!

And #1 is very important. I can't understand why Marvel and DC would continue to let a distributor lead them instead of the other way 'round. Diamond needs The Big Two way more than the Big Two need Diamond.  Having multiple distributors can only strengthen the industry, but as it stands, as long as Marvel and DC keep exclusive to Diamond, no other distributor will ever have a chance.

This playing it "safe," or taking the "easy" road is killing the industry. HOw sad that the people calling the shots at the major publishers are fine with this plan.
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…"nothing sells you on the next issue better than making this issue really good."

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Accidentally got something right! Doesn't fit with the rest of what they say, of course.

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