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Joss Wierzbicki
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Re: Nope. I am clear who I am and it's becoming clear that you are symptomatic of the mindset and actions that have made the online comic community such an unhealthy and irresponsible place. Thanks for clarifying.

Re: Anyone who is interested in accuracy and who has the same respect for others as they'd expect for themselves, that's who cares.

What's clear to me is that you're a hypocritical pompous Mr Holier-than-Thou who passes judgment on people who can make up their own opinion and translate others' (ie De Falco's) pretty clearly. You are symptomatic of the mindset and actions that make the world unhealthy.

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Joss Wierzbicki
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 3:53pm | IP Logged | 2  

To David: is your name really Kingsley ? :-)

I loved Phil Urich too. Did you read De Falco's Spider-Girl where there's plenty of Phil ? Too bad we didn't see him as much in the recent Amazing SG series.

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Al Cook
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 Joss Wierzbicki wrote:
Re: Anyone who is interested in accuracy and who has the same respect for others as they'd expect for themselves, that's who cares.

What's clear to me is that you're a hypocritical pompous Mr Holier-than-Thou who passes judgment on people who can make up their own opinion and translate others' (ie De Falco's) pretty clearly. You are symptomatic of the mindset and actions that make the world unhealthy.

WTF?

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Fred J Chamberlain
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 4  

>What's clear to me is that you're a hypocritical pompous Mr Holier-than Thou who passes judgment on people who can make up their own opinion and translate others' (ie De Falco's) pretty clearly. You are symptomatic of the mindset and actions that make the world unhealthy.

Joss, I'm a professional therapist who is fairly good at what I do. What I did was point out your erroneous positing of DeFalco's statements towards Marvel regarding Spider-Girl. It wasn't until you dug in and tried to justify your erroneous statement that there were any actual judgement of your behavior. One can't accurately my a judgement of another's thoughts without action or words and you've nothing to back up your "opinion" of Defalco's thoughts. I've had multiple contacts and chats with Tom Defalco over the past 14 years. Why don't you track him down and give him your "clear translation" of his thought and get back to us.

When you find yourself in a hole.... stop digging.



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Joel Tesch
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"people who can make up their own opinion and translate others' (ie De Falco's) pretty clearly."

Wow...I wish I had mindreading skills too!

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Joel Tesch
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | 6  

I definitely agree with the love for the Stern/Romita Jr. and Defalco/Frenz eras of ASM and the original Hobgobline storyline.

In fact, I commissioned Ron Frenz for a pencil recreation of my favorite cover of his run...Amazing Spider-Man #270. (I apologize for the low quality image...stupid iPhone camera).

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Adam Hutchinson
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | 7  

Nice!
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David Kingsley Kingsley
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 6:35pm | IP Logged | 8  

I believe Slott undid the She-Hulk/Juggernaut fiasco in his tenure on She-Hulk.

Joss, I read DeFalco's Spider-Girl infrequently, but I did pick it up, and loved his inclusion and development of Phil Urich's character. I know they had him become The Golden Goblin; did they ever explain his past as The Blue Wail?

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Brian Hague
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | 9  

David Kingsley Kingsley wrote: ""I believe Slott undid the She-Hulk/Juggernaut fiasco in his tenure on She-Hulk."

True. As a running gag, he had Jennifer strenuously and repeatedly deny any involvement with the Juggernaut when characters brought the matter up. He later established that a parallel version of Jennifer from Roy Thomas' Earth-A was on our Earth "joy-riding" around in She-Hulk's identity.

She'd been given powers as part of a vacation package offered by an inter-dimensional travel agency that allowed Earth-A residents to enjoy super-heroic existences on Marvel-Earth free of consequences to their everyday lives back home.

The agency, we were told, had been doing this for quite some time and had a number of clients moving between dimensions at any given time.

This explanation could then be used by other writers if they so chose to disavow other "out-of-character" moments with which they felt saddled. It still doesn't help Galactus get out of having had Rom as a herald, but it works well otherwise...

 

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Joss Wierzbicki
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Posted: 28 November 2010 at 10:10am | IP Logged | 10  

To Joel: I'm so jealous of your commission! Loved the cover! Loved the contents with Hobgoblin's obsessive quest for the Osborn journals!

To David: no explanation sorry, De Falco introduced him as an all new character in the SG mythos. Rare references to his past during his tenure as Green Goblin in the 1995 series.

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Tony Midyett
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Posted: 29 November 2010 at 4:38am | IP Logged | 11  

I really liked that E-B idea---if someone acts out of character, it was their Earth B counterpart.  Of course, that might just mean they've ALL been replaced.......somewhere around 1990, maybe?

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Posted: 29 November 2010 at 8:36am | IP Logged | 12  

In Spider-Girl, Phil's role originally was to train May as he had experience as a kid hero, and once his powers returned, he became a hero once more. However, De-Falco had an annoying tendency to make all other characters incompetent in order to make the star character shine. Phil, especially so, as it was made clear over and over again, he had been out of the game too long and was more of a wannabe than an effective hero.

Sad to hear of his fate in the regular MU. A hero go nuts, kill off a villain in order to take over the villain's identity, typical and cliche of modern comics and a large reason why I read so few of them these days.
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