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John Byrne
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This will really muddy the waters---what if all Batman comics were printed in black & white? Would you care whether or not he had an oval?•• Probably my preference for the no-oval look springs from my introduction to the character being principally in black and white. Altho the very first Batman story I read was in color, it was a year or two before I saw him in anything other than the black and white British hardcover "annuals". In black and white the bat, sans oval, really stood out on his chest.
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John Byrne
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Is the mixing colors thing the reason why Superman seemed to be a "light" blue to me, in one comic, and "dark" blue in others.•• That's just bad printing! The mixing and consistency of inks was never quite an exact science!
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Petter Myhr Ness
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JB, you drew Batman without the yellow oval in one his first post-crisis adventures in MAN OF STEEL # 3. Was that something you decided, or was it editorial?
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John Byrne
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JB, you drew Batman without the yellow oval in one his first post-crisis adventures in MAN OF STEEL # 3. Was that something you decided, or was it editorial?•• Technically, both. DC had been bouncing back and forth on the oval/no oval question, tending to place the absence in the early days of his career. Since I prefer the no-oval look, I took that as my cue.
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Mike Norris
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I grew up with the oval. My first exposure was probably the Batman TV. Though its hard to pin down, since I discoverd comics around the same time. That said I prefer Batman with out the oval, even though I spent years trying to master drawing it. ( A lot easier than drawing that bloody "S", though!)
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Gene Best
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Me, too, Mike. (Including the bloody "S"!)
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Ted Pugliese
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I didn't read it yet, but I believe I saw Batman wearing blue without the oval in Neal Adams' Batman: Odyssey. Say what you want about the oval (I like it), but Batman's gotta have it if he's wearing blue. Hopefull, I will get to my comics tonight. Otherwise, this weekend for sure. Still haven't had a chance to read my new Armor Wars II TPB yet either...
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John Byrne
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A lot easier than drawing that bloody "S", though•• The S is EASY! Follow these simple steps: 
This is, of course, the "skinny S", which has become pretty much the standard over the years. In this version, as you can see, the S OVERLAPS the surrounding frame. Some artist prefer to place the S entirely WITHIN the frame of the shield, producing the "fat S" we see from time to time.
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Francesco Vanagolli
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My first exposure to Batman was the Adam West show, but my first comic book arrived some years later. It was a story from the 1960s in its first and only Italian edition (and for a 9 years old a 30 years old comic book is a sort of ancent relic) , but I couldn't imagine that Batman as "my" Batman.
Oval? No oval? Blue cape? Black cape? That was not the problem.
The fact is, until the mid Sixties, Batman's costume was recolored RED.
A red Batman! How could that be Batman? I wondered why he changed his costume's color, and just ten years later or so I learned it was a change for the Italian edition.
No wonder I still think "my" Batman is the one from tv and movies...
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Chad Carter
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JB, do you believe Superman's blue should be lighter or darker?    
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Brian Miller
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The S is EASY! Follow these simple steps: ******************* Steps 4 and 5 always foul me up. I end up going to big with them and leaving virtually no room for step 6.
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Rick Senger
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Proval because I grew up with it that way.
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