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Agapito Qhelas
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Curious. I would think many people here would share his contempt for the industry.
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| the swirling ashes and burning embers of the many bridges he torched behind him. |
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And yet, every single comic book company would jump at the chance of publishing more of his work. Moore could have any DC or Marvel he wanted if he asked for it.
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Michael Roberts
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Monte, comparing fans of Moore to Matrix trilogy apologists is truly one of the strangest analogies I've ever seen.---- How so? Seems like a perfectly straightforward analogy to me. People think the Matrix trilogy is deeper than it actually is. People think Moore's work is deeper than it actually is. You may disagree with either premise, but I don't see what's strange about the analogy.
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Michael Roberts
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Curious. I would think many people here would share his contempt for the industry.--- The difference being that Moore's works have partially influenced the current state of the industry. Which is something he acknowledges.
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Tim Farnsworth
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Mike, the guys who think Moore's work has depth are Time Magazine, Harlan Ellison, many of Moore's peers, every comic award committee ever, and most anyone who's ever reviewed it. The guys who think the Matrix trilogy has depth are stoners.
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MIke Keane
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Brad:
How about we look at CONTEXT no matter where thereviews are? Praise from a mainstream magazine not exactly well knownfor their expertise on a particular topic isn't as indicative ofquality as praise from other more reputable sources. Praise fromembarrassed fanboys isn't trustworthy whether it's published in a comicbook magazine, a national newspaper, or a doctoral thesis.
Areasonably objective review by someone with some knowledge of the form,function, and history behind what they're reviewing is probably thebest kind of review for any form of media or art.
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Just one question.
since it seems that no proof of moores acclaim is sufficient for some on this board.
What is the proof that JB is an acclaimed artist/writer?
Seriously (and i mean JB no disrespect, since i think he is also acclaimed).
I am just interested in what proof is available, awards? interviews? sales figures?
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MIke Keane
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Monte:
Moore is a writer. He's been lucky to be in the right place at theright time and ride some of this deconstructionist crap from theget-go.
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Firstly monte, he may have been "ucky to be in the right place at theright time" (as are most people who succeed) but i think talent may have played a part in that success.
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But to put him on some untouchable plateau where he rules overus all? I don't by it.
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No one here has done this
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Most magazine and movie reviewers don't go toofar beyond the press releases given to them at the time, and I'dimagine most lack the amount of history and perspective that we'vespent with his work.
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I will remember this the next time a magazine reviews/interviews JB
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With the amount of contempt he feels for the industry, any acclaim Imay have ever felt for this self-perceived diva, was lost amidst theswirling ashes and burning embers of the many bridges he torched behindhim.
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What contempt has Moore shown the industry?
And burning bridges? Really ?
Name me one comic company that would not work with Moore in a heartbeat?
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Robert LaGuardia
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Brad for what it's worth Dark Knight
Returns is on the top ten graphic novels
list, though I'm not sure why we have to
make a distinction between superhero
comics and everything else.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/
packages/completelist/
0,29569,1883296,00.html
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Agapito Qhelas
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Here I got to say "considerable". Though it's not as if he spontaneously fires a diatribe against the comic book industry for no good reason, he's mostly asked about it. Heck, I believe they ask about it on purpose because they know what kind of answer he's gonna give.
But he seems to have contempt for all media industries. So I don't really hold it against him.
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I'm not sure why we have to
make a distinction between superhero
comics and everything else.
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In a forum run by a superhero comics artist it's only natural to talk about superhero comics in a different light.
But, would you ever ask that about a film? Sure, there are lists about all films but there are also sublists about sci-fi, fantasy, romantic comedies etc.
And is it really "everything else"? Are Persepolis, Asterix, Le Declic, Druna, Archie, Mickey Mouse, Fables, Blankets, Maus considered in the same sub-category?!?
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MIke Keane
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Agapito: Here I got to say "considerable". Though it's not as if hespontaneously fires a diatribe against the comic book industry for nogood reason, he's mostly asked about it. Heck, I believe they ask aboutit on purpose because they know what kind of answer he's gonna give.
But he seems to have contempt for all media industries. So I don't really hold it against him.
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Fair enough.
Maybe I should have frased my question differently, he has contempt for the industry (he has of course openly criticised current creators for looking back and not forward)
But has he ever verbally shown contempt for comics as an art form?
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Robert LaGuardia
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Yeah Thanos to most mainstream comics fans all those
books are "everything else ".
But my point is that the Time shouldn't be dismissed
simply because they don't review the " right" comics.
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Thanos Kollias
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I don't know what you mean, Robert. I thought Time was dismissed mainly because it's part of the Warner company and because it listed a comic-book series in a list with novels.
Time had JB's Superman with thought balloons and everything featured on one of his covers during the reboot, didn't it?
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