Why are we beating a dead horse with the gun issue.  These murder/suicides could have been performed with a knife.  Don't any of you ever get tired of beating this dead horse. 

Firearms are ingrained in American society.  America was freed from English oppression by citizens and their firearms.  They are not going away, at least not in our lifetime. 

Just imagine if our forefathers thought along the same lines that most of you think today regarding guns in the home.  We would still be a British colony!

It will be a cold day in hell when anyone tries to take my firearms away.  I think I earned that right as an Army veteran to keep and bear arms.  Mind you, I do not mean that I would want to own assault rifles.  All I want to do is keep and maintain what I currently own, a couple of handguns, shotguns and hunting rifles with the desire to purchase a few more of the same type of firearms.  If I were a serious competitive shooter then maybe I would want to own an assault type rifle but I am not.

Firearms are ingrained in American society. America was freed from English oppression by citizens and their firearms. They are not going away, at least not in our lifetime.

Just imagine if our forefathers thought along the same lines that most of you think today regarding guns in the home. We would still be a British colony!

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And we'd still own slaves! Hey! How did we let go of THAT great idea! It was what our Founding Fathers believed in! Better bring it back before the country goes to hell!

Dibs on Halle Berry.

Why are we beating a dead horse with the gun issue.  These murder/suicides could have been performed with a knife.  Don't any of you ever get tired of beating this dead horse. 

Anyone remember the mother that drowned all 3(4?) of her kids? Them dang modern plumbing luxuries are dangerous too.

I've said it before, it's a great planet, people, all kinds, none are exempt, screw it up.

JB, throwing slavery on a gun arguement is way off point and like throwing gas on a fire. Why do it?

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Because it is exactly ON point, much as the gun-toters would wish to make it otherwise. Slavery was a "cherished tradition" in this country for hundreds of years, and it was not imagined how it could ever be abolished without bringing ruin on our heads. And yet, here we are.

Any time you want to talk about what the Founding Fathers believed in, you have to take the whole package, not just the bits you like. And you have to remember that they wrote the Constitution to include a mechanism by which it could be occasionally rebooted, as time and circumstance made necessary. Like giving freedom to the slaves, votes to women, etc.

But we are talking about the Constitution and America. Slavery was world wide and chief among those that enabled it were the very country men of those that were sold into slavery itself. I feel your point is tantamaount to " He likes guns, he must be for slavery", and correct assumption on my part or not, people will jump all over it. It's simply inflammatory. No one's going to ammend the constitution and bring back slavery.

Any time you want to talk about what the Founding Fathers believed in, you have to take the whole package, not just the bits you like.

From this point I get you favor throwing the whole document out, because  clearly it's founders were flawed.

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From this point I get you favor throwing the whole document out, because clearly it's founders were flawed.

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Then you are an idiot. Welcome to my IGNORE list.

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The law against murder is impossible to enforce, or we would not have any murder trials in this country. Does that make it a bad law?

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Then consider how many people are in favor of guns -- if they were ever banned, then gun-running would become an unstoppable national epidemic in the US.

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Like it is in England, Canada, Japan. . . ?