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Ted Pugliese
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Posted: 15 July 2010 at 10:52pm | IP Logged | 1  

That was an attempt at humor.  You really did make a good point.
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Ted Pugliese
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Now I am explaining my comments and poor sense of humor.  Clearly this game has ended for me...
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Ted Pugliese
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Thanks for making me feel bad, Brad.
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Brad Krawchuk
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Posted: 15 July 2010 at 11:04pm | IP Logged | 4  

Brad, I was purposely going about this out of character, seriously, for two reasons.

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Praise Jeebus! I gotta say I thought you were having a nervous breakdown or something! I was like "where did Ted go, and who is this guy using his computer?"

I was honestly worried there. For a second I thought I was arguing with Paulo about the 9/11 conspiracy or something, which I expect from him, but not from you. 

Glad to hear this is a bit of a game, and you haven't snapped. 

Still, I think the point stands that a gun in a home is more of a threat to everyone that a couple of blokes who just wanna have the man love with each-other. Other than the fact that both are polarizing though, try not to compare two (or more!) people having fun and possibly being in love with an object built to end lives, unless you're doing it as an analogy about how love hurts or something. 

Shotguns and hunting rifles I'm oddly okay with, because those are for hunting. I know some hunters, and I used to lump that form of gun ownership in with all gun ownership until a fellow bleeding heart liberal who happened to be a vegetarian explained to me that he respected hunters. 

Amazed, I asked him why. He said at least they take responsibility for the meat they're eating. They know where it comes from, they kill only what they can use within legal limits, and they aren't part of the system where people disassociate what they buy at the grocery store with a real living animal. It's not just a commodity, it's a life, and they recognize that they're taking it to feed themselves. 

He said he'd rather have someone realize what it means to eat meat, and be okay with eating it, than someone who just assumes it's food and nothing more. 
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Ted Pugliese
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a gun in a home is more of a threat to everyone that a couple of blokes

Clearly.  Good night!
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Michael Roberts
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Maybe I did take it a little too far...

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The suggestion that guns would be needed to defend ourselves against invading Muslims/Chinese/Hindus was a little over the top.

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The suggestion that guns would be needed to defend ourselves against invading Muslims/Chinese/Hindus was a little over the top.

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Remember that scene I wrote in FANTASTIC FOUR, where everybody is fighting Galactus, as Spider-Man and Daredevil look on from a nearby rooftop? Spider-Man wonders aloud if they should join in, and DD comments that if it reaches a point where the heavy hitters already involked need their help, we're all in real trouble.

I think of scenarios like this whenever I hear privately owned guns being put forth as a kind of "last line of defense". If the invaders have gone thru the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, it's really not going to matter much what private citizens have to show. We're f***ed!!

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I think of scenarios like this whenever I hear privately owned guns being put forth as a kind of "last line of defense". If the invaders have gone thru the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, it's really not going to matter much what private citizens have to show. We're f***ed!!

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SER: I lot of pro-gun supporters seem to forget that history is written by the victors. The historical Tea Partiers would have been considered terrorists. Now, their modern day counterparts fight against sensible gun control laws while pretty much ignoring laws that could result in their easily being branded terrorists.

I mean, we're a pretty tolerant country when people can state that they own guns in order to defend themselves against the government. They are admitting that they will become terrorists if they disagree with what the government does. Legally, you "overthrow" the government at the ballot box not with bullets.
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If people really want to protect their homes from armed robbers, wouldn't flashing lights and a siren that can be triggered by remote control be much more efficient. If you point a gun at a robber, there's a chance they''ll shoot you. If you've got a confuising flashing light and a loud siren, their first instinct would be to run as fast as they can. Wouldn't it?
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You guys may think Ted is wacko, but I think he's alright. I mean, I'm know here to take over the country on behalf of my Communist masters. And soon you stupid Americans will rue the day you gave up your guns! MWAHAHAHAH !


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Stephen Robinson
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If people really want to protect their homes from armed robbers,wouldn't flashing lights and a siren that can be triggered by remotecontrol be much more efficient. If you point a gun at a robber, there'sa chance they''ll shoot you. If you've got a confuising flashing lightand a loud siren, their first instinct would be to run as fast as theycan. Wouldn't it?

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SER: Yes, waking the neighbors and creating a scene is something that will turn away the average burglar.

A gun just escalates the situation to a degree that will very likely result in someone's death (and most often not the burglar).

The average person does not have the physical and psychological testing/training that police officers receive. They also tend to not be as potentially psychotic as an armed criminal.

Also, doesn't the police advise that when in a mugging situation, you just hand over your wallet to the mugger and not startle him? The belief here is that attempting to stop him -- when you're untrained and nervous -- will result in death.


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Michael Penn
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Posted: 16 July 2010 at 8:23am | IP Logged | 12  

I wonder if there are stats about this -- how often has an intruder physically injured someone in a home that blared out an alarm and flashed big lights etc?

(I have to assume that it's an absolute certainty that an alarm system didn't accidentally injure a homeowner or a homeowner's loved one!)
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