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Matthew McCallum
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Posted: 03 August 2010 at 2:05pm | IP Logged | 1  

Heck, nevermind being stopped. If he was using an axe or a knife, people could have run away. It's not like those things are lethal at 15 feet.

I was explaining that very concept to my son over the weekend. If you hit someone with your fist, you've got be within arm's length. Armed with a knife, still within arm's length but with increased lethality. Use a bat, you gain distance. With an axe, distance and lethality. And with a gun, you maximize distance and maximize lethality.

A gun dramatically increases the range from which you can inflict harm while at the same time minimizing the risk to your own person. In the wrong hands, an extremely lethal combination.

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Eric Smearman
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"Gun safety education and responsible storage of guns become
meaningless when one is angry or depressed."

Or mentally ill.

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Leigh DJ Hunt
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I wonder if the people with guns in their home consider the fact that one day they might have a fight with their spouse or children or other family member and possibly use their weapon to fight them off. Or maybe they would use it on them?

I'd certainly be fearful of a weapon in the house because of what I might do with it, forget any crazies on the streets.

Do people with guns never get drunk or stoned or feel depressed?
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Brad Krawchuk
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Posted: 03 August 2010 at 5:06pm | IP Logged | 4  

...Do people with guns never get drunk or stoned or feel depressed?

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You're being rhetorical, right? This very thread got started because a gun owner decided to shoot her daughter and then herself. 


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Ted Pugliese
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One last thought on this matter.  My friends got drunk one night, a long time ago, and the 'responsible' gun owner (now impared by alcohol) took out his muzzle loader and starting playing games with his BEST friend where they were shooting cigarette butts at each other.  Friend one killed friend two when a cigarette butt penetrated his chest.  True story.  Horrible accident.  Friend one went to prison.

This is the main reason I do not have guns in my house, and I'm not sure if I ever will.  However, I have NO EXPLANATION as to why it is still my opinion that owning guns, like Al Cook does, should be his choice, not mine.

Sometimes I wish I could say NO ONE should have ANY of them, often really, but I feel that there are enough opinons and excuses out there, like Al should have them but Americans shouldn't, or only shotguns should be allowed... for hunting or target shooting (like my firend owned), or no hand guns or automatic weapons, or the huge fact that there are so many guns out there that belong to the most vile people that I cannot put my love of liberty aside to take that position.

Yet, anyway, but I'm listening...

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Posted: 03 August 2010 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | 6  

I cannot put my love of liberty aside to take that position.

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Ted, you're a great guy, but why can't you see that by taking that position to keep your love of liberty, other people are having their liberty and their lives taken away for you to keep yours? And not soldiers or police officers or firefighters either. Ordinary citizens, children even. Snuffed out, so you can feel free. 

How liberating is THAT?
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Ted Pugliese
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Brad, I'm sure it has something to do with being an Army vet.  My time in the service changed the way I look at weapons.  For me, they are simply tools.  My time also gave me a somewhat skewed opinion of freedom, I'm sure.
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Brad Krawchuk
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Posted: 03 August 2010 at 6:36pm | IP Logged | 8  

I've never been in the military, but I recognize weapons as tools too. Guns are tools to KILL. That's why it never makes sense to me when pro-gun types or the NRA says "cars kill more people!" since, from my perspective, cars are tools for transportation, not killing. 

I mean, a washing machine is a tool for washing clothes, right? Well, so is a dry cleaner. Why can't people just have those in the house? Because it's too dangerous, and the chemicals involved are extremely hazardous carcinogens. 

That's logical to most people, but somehow "guns = tools for killing" isn't. 
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Geoff Gibson
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1 child's life lost is too high a price to pay for anything. If you could assure me that giving up my right to bear arms would stop the next 100,000 children from dying then I'd give it up in a heart beat. The sad thing is that you can't assure me that.

That's fatuous logic. If one child's life is "too high a price" for your individual right to bear arms put your money where your mouth is. Or try this -- apply facts and rationality to your desicion; more people are killed by a family members' gun than by a gun employed by a stranger or a home intruder. If you have a child there is greater chance that child will be harmed or die from your gun than anyone elses. Give up your gun and the one child's life you may save is your own.

If all gun owners applied this simple logical excercise and rationally balanced the risks the number of dead children would decrease.

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