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Andy Williams
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 10:03am | IP Logged | 1
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Al,
10,871 posts and that's what you end with?**** Al...it was a joke. I got scolded earlier in this thread for calling you a moron and only having 64 posts at the time.
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Al Cook
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 10:06am | IP Logged | 2
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But I'm not ending. It was a lame joke.
Besides, you've been suddenly picking up your post counts after six years of virtual inactivity...
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Scott Daggett
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 10:12am | IP Logged | 3
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Scott, Mike was not talking about experience or training. He was talking about mindset. Which it's clear we are vastly different in. ******************************************** I agree Al, our mindsets are different. I must admit, your methods of storing your firearms sound extremely effective!
Edited by Scott Daggett on 26 July 2010 at 10:25am
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Al Cook
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 10:27am | IP Logged | 4
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From the laws governing storage:
STORING FIREARMS Storing Non-Restricted Firearms Non-restricted firearms must be stored: 1. unloaded; AND 2. unable to be fired (by using a secure locking device or by removing the bolt or bolt carrier); OR locked in a sturdy, secure, container or room that cannot be easily broken open or into; AND 3. in a place where ammunition for the firearms is not easy to obtain. Ammunition can be stored with the firearm, if the ammunition is stored in a securely locked container that cannot be easily broken open or into. Number 2 (above) does not apply if the firearms are being stored TEMPORARILY for predator control, in an area where it is lawful to discharge firearms. Number 2 and 3 (above) do not apply if the firearms are being stored IN REMOTE WILDERNESS AREAS. Firearms must still be stored unloaded (number 1). Storing Restricted and Prohibited Firearms Restricted and prohibited firearms must be stored: 1. unloaded; AND 2. unable to be fired by using a secure locking device and stored in a sturdy, securely locked, container or room that cannot be easily broken open or into; OR locked in a safe, vault or a securely-locked room built or adapted for the safe storage of restricted or prohibited firearms; AND 3. in a place where ammunition for the firearms is not easy to obtain. Ammunition can be stored with the firearm, if the ammunition is stored: in a securely locked container that cannot be easily broken open or into; OR locked in a vault, safe or room specifically designed for the secure storage of restricted and prohibited firearms. |
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Scott Daggett
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 11:07am | IP Logged | 5
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Sounds like those laws were thouroughly thought out!
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Scott Daggett
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 11:14am | IP Logged | 6
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From the Massachusetts Gun Law concerning storage: M.G.L. Chapter 140 ' 131L Section 131L.
(a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user. Exemptions:This section shall not apply to the storage or keeping of any firearms, rifle or shotgun with matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system manufactured in or prior to the year 1899, or to any replica of any such firearm, rifle or shotgun if such replica is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional fixed ammunition.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Nice gun storage laws. But are they observed? People can buy guns without showing any awareness of or willingness to comply with laws governing safe gun handling and safe gun storage. Unless those restrictions are observed and policed, they're less useful than toilet paper.
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Al Cook
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Do those Massachusetts storage laws apply to you, Scott? (i.e.: Do you live in Mass.?)
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Scott Daggett
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 9
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Yes, I do live in Massachusetts and they do not appear to be as well defined as those of the laws that you posted Al.
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Al Cook
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | 10
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So I'm curious then. If you comply to the law in your own state, how the hell do you ever expect any of your weapons to protect you in the case of a break in where someone intends you harm?
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Scott Daggett
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 1:29pm | IP Logged | 11
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Believe it or not, a lockable wooden gun cabinet with a glass face/door for viewing my rifles & shotguns, under Massachusetts law, is an acceptable method of storage. The bottom of my gun cabinet is where I store my handguns. These are secured behind locked wooden doors. I believe under Massachusetts law, if you have a lockable drawer in your nightstand, that is also an acceptable method of storage. Here's another silly one for you Al. If you have your firearms locked in your car, that is also acceptable. Also, I believe that I could, under the law, keep a handgun in a portable lock box which could be kept under a bed or put in a corner. The main thing here is to keep in mind that the key must be kept in a separate location from the lock box.
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Al Cook
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| Posted: 26 July 2010 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | 12
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That's not quite an answer to my question (which I'd like to amend to remove the 'the hell' so as to not over-charge it. I'm honestly curious as to how you expect to be able to use weapons stored like that if someone bursts into your bedroom in the middle of the night...)
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