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Brad Krawchuk
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It can stop an intruder/mugger without killing them. It's not some kind of death ray where everyone shot dies instantly. It's all up to the skill of the person using it.
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I find it hard to believe you were in the military. Basic gun 101 - do not point the gun at something you are not prepared to kill. Aim for centre mass, it's easiest to hit. Squeeze trigger once, maybe twice.
No skill involved, Scott. In the heat of the moment, when the pressure is on, aim for centre mass and shoot. It's not like the movies where clipping a knee or shooting the knife out of the intruder's hand is the best way to go. It's not. It can't be. There's too much at risk.
A shot or two to centre mass. Heart? Lungs? Liver? Intestines? What's that bullet going to hit? Who knows? No skill Scott. Just point and pull.
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Jason Mark Hickok
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I still don't think you need a gun to scare off someone breaking into your house. Someone who wants to break in does not want A. To be caught or B. To be hurt themselves. So any kind of warning system should do. Be it a dog, security system, flood lights, etc. should be more than enough to get them to go somewhere else.
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Michael Penn
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For law students it's always an interesting and often enlightening exercise to step back from interpreting existing laws and instead hypothesize that no extant rule governs a particular action and therefore then attempt to create a reasonable law from scratch.
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Mike O'Brien
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The difference between you and Al, Scott, is that you, based on your online posts, live in a constant fantasy about killing people in the name of self-defense.Al understands that that's not what they're for, and therefore, is a smarter and better gun-owner than you.
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Monte Gruhlke
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The Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I think that the right to bear arms is a given, BUT I believe that the gun owners bear responsibility to be part of a well-regulated militia.
Rather than dickering about what "right to bear arms" means, we should really define the role of the Well-Regulated Militia.
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Brad Krawchuk
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Well-Regulated Militia.
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Isn't that the Armed Forces? Which, if I'm not mistaken, is controlled by a civilian elected Commander in Chief?
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William McCormick
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I was in an argument one time with one of my ex-coworkers about gun control. I am not in favor of a complete ban on guns. But, I am in favor of a ban on assault weapons and very strict controls on handguns. You sure as hell shouldn't be able to carry them into any public place!
Anyway, he brought up that during my time in the Army I used a gun and asked how if I hated them so much how could I bring myself to use them. I responded by saying that while I was in the Army, I was a part of a "well-regulated militia".
That's the part of the 2nd Amendment that I feel is the most important. I still don't understand why so many people on the pro-gun side think that part of the amendment isn't just as important as the rest of it.
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Brad Krawchuk
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Or how many think "well-regulated militia" is a bunch of guys getting together and practicing drills they've seen in TV shows and movies.
I mean, regulated should count for something, shouldn't it?
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Scott Daggett
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Brad said: I find it hard to believe you were in the military ********************************************** Would you like to see a copy of my DD-214? You don't need to recite the basics of gun safety, I know them inside and out.
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Scott Daggett
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Mike said: Al understands that that's not what they're for, and therefore, is a smarter and better gun-owner than you.
************************************************************ ************ That's your opinion and you are entitled to it however, with my many years (29 yrs) of handling firearms in addition to my 4 years in the Army, I doubt if his use of safety when handling firarms is any better than mine. So, I do not think that Al (with all due respect) is any smarter or a better gun owner than I am. He may be equal but not better. You fellas make me out to be some gun slinging, paranoid lunatic who's looking for someone to break into my home just so I can use my firearms and kill someone. I am nothing of the sort at all and it saddens me that some of you think I am.
Edited by Scott Daggett on 26 July 2010 at 10:11am
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Al Cook
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I find it quite easy to believe that Scott was in the military.
Military training does not typically include 'shoot to wound,' now, does it.
Edited by Al Cook on 26 July 2010 at 9:58am
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Al Cook
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Scott, Mike was not talking about experience or training. He was talking about mindset. Which it's clear we are vastly different in.
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