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Koroush Ghazi
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Posted: 24 July 2010 at 6:55pm | IP Logged | 1  

Ultimately if more "good" people get guns for defense, criminals will simply step up their efforts and use more powerful guns like automatics, or they will assume that every intended target is armed and more criminal activity will result in deadly violence.

Anyone who thinks they can get into an arms race with criminals and come out the victor is dreaming. Unless you're willing to sink to their level you'll never win. More guns = less safety for everyone.

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Brad Krawchuk
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Posted: 24 July 2010 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | 2  

More guns = more accidental shootings = defeats the purpose of having guns to be "safe"

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Posted: 24 July 2010 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | 3  

And yes, I am a gun owner who is a proponent of gun control laws andoutright bans on certain weapons.  Why is this always so hard forpeople to wrap their heads around?

This makes perfect sense to me.  I am a proponent of gun owners and gun control laws and outright bans on certain weapons too.

Now I know that the gun lovers in the crowd are already having conniptions reading that.  "He wants to take away our guns!"

Ifyou're more upset at the idea that your guns could be taken away thanat the deaths and the massive social problems your currentweapons-laden society and lack of decent control measures cause, thenyou are already too fucked in the head to reason with about this kindof thing anyway.

But this, and your insulting, disrespectful, and profane remarks directed at others illustrates a lack of respect for your fellow man and differing opinions.  The fact that you are a gun owner yourself, makes most of what you have said in this thread just ridiculous.



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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 24 July 2010 at 9:02pm | IP Logged | 4  

Eh, Ted... I think you have a bit of a myopic view of Al's postings.

Frankly, the pro-gun crowd on this thread are just presenting an arguement of, basically, here's a whacked-out unlikely scenario, where they get to be a hero by shooting people, and **WAGARBHL** if you try to call us on our statement.

Al's replies, in my opinion, have been just. Especially so since he can speak from a position of authority, being a responsible gun owner.

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Al Cook
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Posted: 24 July 2010 at 9:06pm | IP Logged | 5  

It's true.  I find it very hard to be respectful of people whose opinions and ideas are abhorrent to me and their ways of communicating about them and defending them run deep into pure idiocy.

I speak bluntly and use profanity every day.  That my arguments here are particularly profane reflects the degree of passion and outrage I have over this issue.  People DIE, Ted.  EVERY DAY.  CHILDREN.  Because of a culture that encourages people to love and defend their guns more than it encourages them to love and defend human life!!!!

IT'S FUCKING DISGUSTING, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO BE PROFANE ABOUT IT.  If that bothers you, put me on ignore.  Otherwise, I think we're all adults here.  That one chooses to use profane words does not mean that ones argument and point of view deserves to be ignored.  That's childish.  It seriously reeks of an eight-year-old's mentality; or the mentality of a person whose position on an issue is so threatened they'll take any cheap excuse they can to figuratively stick their fingers in their ears and say "nyah nyah I can't hear you anymore."  "I'm not going to listen to you because you swore."

Now, please, answer me this: how does the fact that I own guns make anything, let alone most of what I've said in this thread ridiculous?

I'm not suggesting that rifles or shotguns that are properly regulated and registered and stored and used be taken away from their owners.

I own a hunting rifle, a hunting shotgun, and an antique (family heirloom) rifle that has been rendered un-firable.  These are legally owned and registered.

They are stored at a relative's house, in a double-locked steel gun cage that is anchored to a concrete wall.  Their firing mechanisms are stored under lock and key in a separate location.  Any ammunition for them is also stored under lock and key, separate from the guns and from their firing mechanisms.

How does the fact that I own guns under Canadian laws make anything I've said here about the need to revisit the U.S. laws render anything I've said null and void in any way?

The mere suggestion that it should stinks to me of an attitude of "he owns guns but supports gun control - he's betrayed the cause!"

Again, anyone whose cause is their guns is fucked in the head.  Plain and simple.  Sorry to be so profane.

No, scratch that.  I'm not sorry at all.  This is a profane issue.

My cause is the safety and sanctity of human life.
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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 24 July 2010 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | 6  

In all fairness, Al's use of "fucking cocksucking donkey raping shit eater" has killed no children.

Guns, on the other hand?

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Al Cook
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For the record, I've never understood the use of 'cocksucker' as a pejorative.
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Andy Williams
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Posted: 25 July 2010 at 8:43am | IP Logged | 8  

Al,
10,871 posts and that's what you end with?
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Al Cook
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Huh?
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Victor Rodgers
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For the record, I've never understood the use of 'cocksucker' as a pejorative.
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It 's a terrible flavor of lollipop. Even worse than Root Beer.
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Brad Krawchuk
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Posted: 25 July 2010 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | 11  

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=181341

Here you go, pro-Gun people. I'll help you make your case. I think. 


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Michael Penn
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I've never understood the use of 'cocksucker' as a pejorative

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After getting busted for using the word, Lenny Bruce later mused about how the court he faced presumed this "vulgar term... related to homosexuals. That's funny, because I don't know if they're hip to it, that's not only a homosexual practice but the practice of every good wife -- who is contemporary."
 

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