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Tony Midyett
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I find it worth noting that the mayor left instructions on how to care for her dog.  If only she were concerned with the welfare of her own flesh and blood.  :(
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At some point in the future almost everyone will have lost someone to gun violence. Of course, it doesn't matter, because there's still going to be that inbred, mush-for-brains vocal minority that will cripple any attempt at sane legislation. 
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I have lately come to think that a more vigorous application of the NINTH Amendment would help a lot.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Since one of the primary rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence is LIFE ITSELF, anything which permits the random, illegal TAKING of life should, under the Ninth Amendment, be considered unconstitutional. And the ridiculously broad reading of the Second Amendment insisted upon by some would definitely fall under this heading.

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Amen!
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Stephen Robinson
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I recall something JB alluded to in a previous thread on this topic: Gun Rights Advocates state a rather large figure regarding the number of lives saved because a gun was in the home. Now, I consider myself a voracious reader of the news. However, I only recall reading about stories like the one I posted here. Even if we concede that the media has a "liberal" bias, you would think that the media's love of a feel-good story would win out or at least balance any desire to supress these stories of decent people protecting themselves because they had a gun in the home.

Logically, it seems that guns in the home pose a huge threat to the safety of family members. Many crimes in the home are between friends and family. An easily accessible weapon during a heated moment doesn't work out well for all involved.
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In another thread, I made mention of a quote from the movie THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT.  I hate reducing such a vital issue to something as trivial as a movie quote, but I often recall this one:


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For reasons passing understanding, people do not relate guns to gun-related crime.


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"...mental illness is a very insidious disease and difficult to detect during the screening process required for purchasing guns"

Well put. I would extend that to driving and a number of other activities that pose a danger to others, not just guns. What a sad event.

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If the Mayor'd already made the decision to take her daughters life and then her own do you really think the absence/presence of a gun would've made a difference?  A knife, poison, rope, hammer or even just straying over the yellow lane into oncoming traffic would've had the same effect.  You can regulate or restrict guns all you want but that won't stop something like this from happening.  Once someone's made the decision to take a life, especially in a situation like this, they're going to do it...regardless of the availability of a gun.
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Brad Krawchuk
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I would extend that to driving and a number of other activities that pose a danger to others, not just guns. What a sad event.

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But she was using the gun properly! I mean, if she'd have killed herself and her daughter with a kitchen knife or an axe or carbon monoxide poisoning from the garage or a bunch of pills, I would say that's crazy. She would be using those objects for something other than their intended purpose. 

But killing people with a gun? That's what the gun is for! 
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Martin Redmond
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Yeah, exactly, a knife has a use, other than killing. You're not allowed to own switchblades or combat knives here either.
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If the Mayor'd already made the decision to take her daughters life and then her own do you really think the absence/presence of a gun would've made a difference? A knife, poison, rope, hammer or even just straying over the yellow lane into oncoming traffic would've had the same effect. You can regulate or restrict guns all you want but that won't stop something like this from happening. Once someone's made the decision to take a life, especially in a situation like this, they're going to do it...regardless of the availability of a gun.

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But the gun does make it easier!

This is something that is often overlooked (deliberately or otherwise). What might be called "gun consciousness" in our society -- the constant, almost subliminal awareness of guns and gun violence -- makes guns the default setting.

One could as easily argue that without a gun, without that EASY way of doing it, this woman might have had reason to pause before taking action. It's easy enough to say "knife, poison, rope, hammer," etc, but these are things that, at least in terms of their normal household use, are not directly associated with killing other human beings. With guns -- handguns especially -- there is no OTHER association.

It is interesting to note, I think, that the United States is 24th in the world, in terms of its murder rate, but fourth when it comes to gun relate deaths.

It is also important to keep in mind that a gun is a very difficult weapon against which to defend oneself. It is, after all, a LONG RANGE weapon -- even if "long range" means "across the room".

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James Olsen said: "Lizzy Borden agrees"

Then Kevin Hagerman said: "That was before the remote control.  Americans are too out of shape to hack each other up now."

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Lizzy Borden was acquitted.

But this comment about remote control I think plays in to the "gun question." 

Guns are in essence a way of killing by remote control: you point, click, dead. By removing a person from the act of killing by hand (knife, rope, candlestick), it becomes easier to kill. 

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