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Andy Williams Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | 1
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Al,Yes. I would.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Andy Williams wrote:
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It's disingenuous because it's been written in this thread by people who support gun ownership and not by "rabid anti-gun nuts". One would hope that you've been following the existing thread and not just jumped in without taking a couple of minutes to see where everyone stands.
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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 3
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What if we treated gun registration the same as a driver's license? To get your drivers license, you have to pass a written test, a vision test and a road test. To maintain your driver's license you have to pass the vision test and show no emergent medical ailments that make you unfit to drive. You have to license your vehicle annually, and you cannot get your license unless you are able to document your vehicle is road worthy by passing the smog test. What if you needed to pass a similar drill to maintain your firearm?
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 1:18pm | IP Logged | 4
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So, you would, in fact, use a handgun to protect yourself from someone breaking in to your house or committing a crime.
Earlier, you said that you thought that people who committed crimes were worth less than other people.
So far we've confirmed that you're willing to make value judgements about people's worth based on what you perceive that they desire.
Now you're admitting to wanting to have a weapon designed solely to kill a person to use against folks that you would pass this judgement on.
My paraphrasing your words to "I think that they've decided their lives are worthless, so I can shoot them!" is a succinct and accurate representation of your views as you have espoused them yourself so far in this thread.
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Andy Williams Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | 5
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THIS is what I love about these discussions....there's as much back and forth about semantics as there is the subject at hand.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | 6
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Matthew, I think that should absolutely be the case with rifles and shotguns. Totally agree. I think that would be a fine system. I would test annually for all requirements (something I increasingly think should be done for drivers licenses, as well.)
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 1:26pm | IP Logged | 7
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Never mind.
Edited by Al Cook on 20 July 2010 at 1:28pm
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | 8
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If you re-read my post it says that I know quite a few so-called "gun-nuts" and those are the people of whom I speak.
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To be fair, you edited your post after I posted mine.
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | 9
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"THIS is what I love about these discussions....there's as much back and forth about semantics as there is the subject at hand. " Of course it's about semantics. An idea or argument that cannot be clearly expressed is an idea or argument that has not been clearly thought out. The "why do you have to be so difficult, you know what I mean" argument simply doesn't wash.
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Koroush Ghazi Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 25 October 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1696
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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | 10
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In any case, it's clear what is meant in this discussion: my family's safety outweighs any other concern. That's what it boils down to. No man is an island unto himself, except when it comes to protection it seems. Apparently, even though we live in a society, some of us feel that our right to protect ourselves is greater than any other person's right to live safely - whether they're criminals or otherwise!It's as though the gun advocates don't even recognize that there are compromise alternatives which have far less potential for misuse and harm to innocents. They don't recognize the risks of theft and abuse of their weapons, the fact that it's impossible to police the responsible ownership of guns (until the point at which someone is purposely or accidentally shot). It creates a nightmare scenario for law enforcement in general. None of these concerns matter - they're for someone else to worry about; I want my guns! If it's all about self-defense, then why is it gun advocacy groups like the NRA are so firm about the right to own assault rifles? It's not enough to own a handgun, ostensibly to protect your family against violent home invaders, gun rights must be extended to the point where the average person can have a weapon capable of killing multiple people - because of the Second Amendment of course! There is a reason why the State has a monopoly on the use of lethal force, and it's because at least the State has some checks and balances in place (as inadequate as they may sometimes be), whereas the average individual has nothing to prevent them killing or injuring others in their blind pursuit of "personal safety".
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Michael Huber Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 July 2010 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | 11
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If it's all about self-defense, then why is it gun advocacy groups like the NRA are so firm about the right to own assault rifles? It's not enough to own a handgun, ostensibly to protect your family against violent home invaders, gun rights must be extended to the point where the average person can have a weapon capable of killing multiple people - because of the Second Amendment of course! See, this paragraph is where I differ on some points and I'm probably branded as a gun nut here. Weapon (hunting guns here, rifles and shotguns) for defense of home and family, yes, hangun for said use, errr, maybe, under certain circumstances (single, live alone, definitely no children on the premises), assault rifles in john q publics hand, no. Hell no. edit, can't type for crap.
Edited by Michael Huber on 20 July 2010 at 7:17pm
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Michael Huber Byrne Robotics Member

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Oh, licensing, education, registraion, training, all can only do good, where is the bad on these?
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