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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 8:39am | IP Logged | 1
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Telephone conversation with a friend, just now, and this topic came up. I have absolutely no problem with it, of course (my brain works), but it popped into my head that it is a pity there is not some way for Gay couples to adopt Gay children. Instant support structure, and the kids would be spared at least SOME of the crap that goes along with growing up Gay.Thoughts?
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 8:42am | IP Logged | 2
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Sorry, I had to reread this, I don't see why not. Proven pedophiles and junkies are the only ones who should never adopt, whatever the gender preference.
Edited by Martin Redmond on 14 July 2010 at 8:46am
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 8:54am | IP Logged | 3
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i have no problem with gay couples adopting... and i think your ideais pretty nice, JB! 'Course we live in a world where that would be considered a horrible injustice!
-C!
Edited by Charles Valderrama on 14 July 2010 at 8:55am
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David Henriot Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:00am | IP Logged | 4
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but it popped into my head that it is a pity there is not some way for Gay couples to adopt Gay children. Sound a bit dangerous (for the kid) to me. I think the earlyest is, what, around 14-13 year old, for some maybe 12, that a child may get an idea that he (she) is different ? And even that doesn't proove anything. At that age, feelings change and evolve*. Loving a boy doesn't make you gay. Some tryes a lot of things, before finding themself. What about "experimenting" ?
But what you suggest means : "You're gay, so choose the gay line, and "forever" it will be the same." It's a bit definitive to me. Exactly the same as if a boy was to say : i will always love women all my life long and not change. Oh, really ? And it means that the kid will have to be able to spell it out, make his/ her own comming back at that age ??! And live with it, among "straigth" kids ?
Wow, i'd definitly not want to be him / her. *Of course, that except people who get the same sexuality since that age, and never changed.
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5833
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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:02am | IP Logged | 5
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Perhaps gay couples raising heterosexual kids might result in more tolerant heterosexual adults.
However, I do agree that a strong support system for gay children is great.
Meanwhile, I also wish that -- in contrast with the Tea Party -- we could foster a branch of JB's Jeffersonian Republicans. One of the worst things to happen to the Republican party is when they were hijacked by the social/religious extremists. They essentially became anti-intellectualism and anti-freedom (as least as I like to define it).
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Mike Benson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:03am | IP Logged | 6
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Being gay myself, I've often struggled with the idea of adopting. Despite the fact that society's prejudices are unjustified and illogical, they nonetheless exist. Like it or not, adopting a child would mean I would be subjecting him or her to some harrassment from other children and adults whose brains don't work. Yes, I could try to instill a solid sense of self esteem in the kid that would make such harrassment ineffective. But many people struggle enough growing up, without this additional target being painted on their backsides. Having a child is supposed to be a selfless endeavor. Would I really be selfless knowing the kind of assholes that are out there, ready to hurl insults and cruelty in the direction of a child adopted into my family? Your suggestion certainly is interesting. Knowing the kid was going to have to look this prejudice in the eye eventually regardless would make the decision a lot easier in my mind at least. The problem, of course, is determining that a child is gay. Took a lot of people I know until they were in their 30s (or even beyond that) to figure it out! Of course, there's always the acid test. Play some showtunes and see which kids are tapping their feet or singing along.
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Wilson Mui Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:14am | IP Logged | 7
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I think one other problem is that most couples gay or straight are interested in adopting infants and not kids in their teens.
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Jeremiah Avery Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:15am | IP Logged | 8
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It's not as if two heterosexual people are "better" parents by default - plenty of reprehensible ones. If two people want to adopt a child and provide a nurturing environment, their orientation should not be a factor in adoption process. Certainly there is concern about the harassment the child will endure, but one can hope they'll understand that their parents are doing nothing wrong.
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:24am | IP Logged | 9
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First off: I'm all for gay couples adopting. My step-sister is gay, and she and her partner adopted a newborn a couple of years ago, and they are a terrific family. I also have a number of gay friends who have adopted, and again the families are wonderful.
However, the problem isn't with these families but with society itself. As long as a vocal portion, and perhaps a sizable portion, believe that homosexuality is something that can be "cured", and/or that it's a "choice", there are going to be people who will be arguing against anything that "perpetuates" homosexuality.
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:26am | IP Logged | 10
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(And for the record, I would totally fail Mike Benson's "acid test." I love musicals way more than any hetrosexual man has the right to.)
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Wilson Mui Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:43am | IP Logged | 11
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I thought this was an interesting news item. There was a recent study spanning 25 years that said children of lesbian parents have fewer behavioral problems.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.ad justment/index.html
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 July 2010 at 9:45am | IP Logged | 12
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Same here Andrew! Love musicals. As far as gays adopting, absolutely no problem with it. I find it funny in a sad sort of way, that the people who are anti-abortion are usually anti-gay adoption. Actually it's not funny at all. Just really, really sad.
Edited by William McCormick on 14 July 2010 at 9:45am
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