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Greg McPhee
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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 8:19am | IP Logged | 1  

The way modern comics are is probably the reason I enjoy re-reading my old collections and buying back issues from around 1974 - 1985 as this was a far better period, IMO, than what we have now.

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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 8:26am | IP Logged | 2  

And to that end, John, I still think a writer can produce something that's smart and reaches all age levels. I'm not talking about slipping something past the kids but leaving something to the imagination.

Hard-As-Nails Hero walks out of the room, closing the door behind him, visibly shaken. A young woman rushes toward him.

"My father -- is he --?"

"No. I'm sorry. It's bad. You don't want to go in there."

"I must see --!"

"No! You don't want to remember your father... like that."

I don't need to see the interior of that room, or observe the fate of the father. It's enough for me to know Hard-As-Nails Hero is disturbed by what he saw. My imagination will fill in the gaps, and probably be worse than anything the artist could draw because it's MY "it's bad".

Similarly, the "it's bad" for my twelve-year-old will be different than the "it's bad" for my fifteen-year-old versus the "it's bad" for my retired-RCMP father. Theatre of the Mind keeps it all age appropriate.


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 Jeremiah wrote:
...It's rather unsettling when kids have to be steered clear of Batman or Spider-Man since they have content that may be inappropriate (as someone who works at my comic store told me once)....


I'll back this up!

I may have told this story on another thread before, but there was an issue of "Superman" where the villain was having an orgy with several women on the splash page of the comic, the women in several states of undress and clearly naked, and the man on the bed with a sheet covering up his naughty bits, but leaving his side exposed so that there was no question he wasn't wearing shorts.

I had to warn a few parents looking to pick up their young child a Superman comic about this scene. They all passed once they saw the comic. How sad is it that I had to tell parents that they migght find a  Superman comic  inappropriate for their child?
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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 8:40am | IP Logged | 4  

As a side note, when my geeky middle school buddies and I werent playing AD&D, we were playing GAMMA WORLD ... and ripping off old Atomic Knights plots to use in our games.

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I'd never seen Atomic Knights before the new book came out but it reminded me a lot like an old RPG I used to play with my uncle when he came back from the Marines. Gamma World was the best. I was debating getting the book but you've just sold me.



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Rick Whiting
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I'll back this up!

I may have told this story on another thread before, but there was an issue of "Superman" where the villain was having an orgy with several women on the splash page of the comic, the women in several states of undress and clearly naked, and the man on the bed with a sheet covering up his naughty bits, but leaving his side exposed so that there was no question he wasn't wearing shorts.

I had to warn a few parents looking to pick up their young child a Superman comic about this scene. They all passed once they saw the comic. How sad is it that I had to tell parents that they migght find a Superman comic inappropriate for their child?

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And don't forget that infamous issue of ACTION COMICS written by Chuck Austen (who broke into the industry writing and drawing porn comics) where it was strongly implied that a Kryptonian villain raped a human woman literally to death. The bad guy even emerged from his headquarters covered with the woman's blood and one character saying that the girl was "screaming all night".

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Matthew McCallum
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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 8:54am | IP Logged | 6  

How sad is it that I had to tell parents that they might find a Superman comic inappropriate for their child?

I had a similar moment with the first issue of Identity Crisis, the first time where I actually took a comic book BACK to the store. The fellow who runs my LCS hadn't read the issue yet when I returned it. The next time I was in the store, I noticed he'd put a parent advisory flag on the book.

While I was happy he did, I also thought how sad the Justice League -- The Superfriends! -- needs a warning that this book might not be okay for kids...


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Okay, my memory was a bit fuzzy... the scene in that "Superman" comic that I referenced above was a bit off... there is no sheet covering his naughty bits, his leg is raised so as to not show it. I also forgot that one of the ladies he was having sex with was wearing a studded choker.

The scans below are from "Superman" #655 (October, 2006), written by Kurt Busiek and art by Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino. I like the artwork, but that scene does NOT belong in a Superman comic, period.

Also note that there is a Captain Underpants ad directly to the left of the splash page. Now, as I recall, Captain Underpants is not aimed at adults. I wonder if Scholastic saw the page next to their ad in the published comic and what did they think?

I'm not a prude by any stretch, but Superman should always be an all-ages comic. The editor should never have allowed these pages to be published in a "Superman" comic.

And just the issue before, the page below was the splash page. Notice Lois walking around in very skimy underwear, and how the character is posed in the bottom panel.

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Francesco Vanagolli
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Matthew McCallum:

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While I washappy he did, I also thought how sad the Justice League -- TheSuperfriends! -- needs a warning that this book might not be okay forkids...


Starting this month, Italian editions of Marvel books will feature a "guide code" on the covers. Green: for everyone; Yellow: read it with adults; Red: go awat, children, this is mature stuff.

Marvel. Superheroes. Costumes. Powers. Do you remember all of these words from your kid days?

Well, most of the books are rated yellow or even red. I think the only green one was ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN.

Now, a little mumble mumble moment. You Americans are generally more "harsh" than we Europeans on sex and language/physical violence, so there are things you could consider bad for kids which, on the contrary, for us would be acceptable. You already write on your comics if they're for kids or adults... but here, it never happened, if not for erotic stuff. So, the fact that NOW even in Italy we have these distinctions on the covers, and that most of the books are rated "for kids with adults" or "for adults only" makes me think that even for our standards these comics aren't aimed to kids anymore.

This is a great day for those stupids (who, compared to the potential readers, are a minority, but in the dying American market are the rulers) who need to tell the world they read "adult comics". It's a bad day for the rest of the world, though.
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I don't understand why the publishers don't place the 7-15 demographic traditional layered content in "Batman" and "The Amazing Spider-Man" and place the 16+ content, for those that want it, in 'Spider-Man: More Meetings, Less Panels Per Page, and Chasing Tail' and 'Batman: Knight in the NRA'.

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That's how this particular slippery slope got started, tho, with the idea that it was possible to "layer" the characters, with books of different levels of "maturity". Remember DCs harcover/softcover experiment, with "deluxe" editions of TEEN TITANS showing Robin and Starfire in bed together, then the "regular" newsstand editions coming along a while later with such scenes excised? PLEASE let us not resurrect the incredibly-inbred, can't-see-the-forest-for-the-trees notion that the kind of PAPER the book is printed on should cue a potential reader as to the "maturity level"!!

It is not the CHARACTERS that should be "layered". A customer should be able to walk into a store and pick up ANY comic with BATMAN in the title, and know that it will have the same kind of content as every other comic with BATMAN in the title. S/he should not have to scan for "Mature Advisory" labels or the like.

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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 10:16am | IP Logged | 10  

I have to agree. I think, ideally, creators who want to show explicit sex or violence should create their own characters.
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Matthew McCallum
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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 10:22am | IP Logged | 11  

And similarly, if you are a creator who WANTS to do those kind of stories and you think there is a market for them, then CREATE your own character and have at it.
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Francesco Vanagolli
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Posted: 12 June 2010 at 10:28am | IP Logged | 12  

Create?

Are you crazy? Creative process is a hard labor!





















Multiple sigh.
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