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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:05pm | IP Logged | 1  

Well, of course you're right - in your scenario, you're a grumpy gus making a fashion statement.

You're not a gang of bullies trying to start a fight.

Context again.

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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 2  

I don't know anyone who is actually "offended"

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I agree with everything you wrote about the overuse, and resulting degradation of meaning, of this particular word.  At the risk of a little thread drifting, let me toss in another word that irks me due to its overuse: "outrage."

Hardly a day goes by when I don't read a news story where people are described as being "outraged" over the incidence described, regardless of how trivial or mundane.

School cafeteria eliminates french fries: parents outraged.

I think there has been on time in my life that I felt emotions that could be described as outrage (9/11); yet others seem to encounter it on a daily basis.  This leaves me to wonder if there's something wrong with me that I'm not outraged more often, if the word is just overused by journalists, or if there are people who are indeed so easily outraged.


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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | 3  

You're not a gang of bullies trying to start a fight.

Has that been firmly established that's what was happening at Live Oak High School, Mike?

As I've written, such conjecture fills in the gaps of the story-behind-the-story and helps this episode to make better sense, but apart from a couple of speculative blogs I haven't seen a media report stating these kids are bullies or known troublemakers. (And I have looked, with a number of different search engines and phrases.)

But for the sake of argument, let's say these guys ARE troublemakers, and they wore those clothes for all the wrong reasons. Are such clothes really bait? And if so, do the other students have to rise to it?

We are supposed to be teaching tolerance and understanding, after all, and the principle should be extended to tolerating -- assuming this is the case -- disrespectful idiot thugs who are otherwise causing no harm.

And, just for sake of argument, let's assume I show up at school that day and find myself surrounded by 300 kids decked out in the Mexican flag. If this is indeed a politically charged topic at that school and a powder keg of violence -- otherwise, why would we be concerned about four punks and their gringo t-shirts? -- might I not find such an exhibition to be unnerving, uncomfortable, and possibly even a little threatening? Could I be subjected to peer pressure as to why I'm not wearing green, white and red? And is any of that the school's responsibility to address?

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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 2:01pm | IP Logged | 4  

This leaves me to wonder if there's something wrong with me that I'm not outraged more often, if the word is just overused by journalists, or if there are people who are indeed so easily outraged.

Thom, I actually find the situation to be quite often the opposite.

There are great injustices that occur all around us, greeted only by the metaphorical sound of crickets, and I wonder WHERE'S the outrage?

I made an observation years ago when I worked for the City of Edmonton. City Council could seemingly spend hours arguing over the cost of $700 lawn mowers, but pass budget documents for $2.1 million public works without batting an eye. I concluded they could understand the lawn mowers: it was a recognizable price point, a tangible object that could be imagined. Other massive projects with their complexity and sky-high costs became abstractions and statistics. They exist beyond the realm of understanding.

I can only conclude that outrage today for much of society works on a similar scale. Small things we can get our heads and hands around, yeah, let's march! The big stuff, the huge stuff, the things that REALLY matter, white noise and our eyes gloss over.

Thankfully, there are a few guys on the board, like Victor and Mike O'B among others, who are not prone to that failing.

And congratulatons on your 2500th post!



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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | 5  

It's because funeral services are usually left alone out of decency is the reason why those pieces of trash are staging protests at them - in order to garner the most attention.

So turn off the cameras. Close the notebooks. Ignore them. Eventually they'll realize their efforts at being provocative are failing to provoke and they will decamp to other means to deliver their message.



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Jodi Moisan
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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | 6  

Seriously , we are expecting a whole school of teenagers to rise above things???? Not going to happen.

Matthew I agree with you in part, I am a supporter of school uniforms.

Matthew, why are you whispering?? :0)


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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | 7  

Matthew, why are you whispering?? :0)

Am I?

I've gone back to edit a couple of messages on this thread -- there' s always a typo or a extra word that gets missed, or a phrase that can be made clearer -- and the font came up huge when I reposted, so I zapped it back to what looked like normal on this screen.

Too much zap?

Editing Note: I edited this one to see if it happened again.



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I read an interview with one of the students that wore the USA Flag shirt.  He said he often wore that shirt to school and wearing it on May 5 was not a calculated move.  He also said he didn't feel any tension at school that morning and never expected a negative reaction from anyone.  He said he was surprised when the VP approached him to remove it.

There's been a lot of mind reading in this thread to about these boys wearing the shirts.   Just to repeat, he said he often wore it to school.  

I don't think its ever wrong to wear an American Flag shirt in the USA.  I agree with JB's comment "Why would they be offended by the American flag IN AMERICA seems somehow more to the point."
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In response to Mike's comment 'You really wear a Maple Leaf shirt? Why?'

Almost everyone in Canada has at least one article of clothing with the maple leaf on it, especially after the Vancouver Olympics.  The maple leaf is a very prevalent symbol in Canada.  From Roots clothing, to the official Olympic wear, Team Canada hockey shirts, Toronto Maple Leaf Shirts, Toronto Blue Jay shirts, Molson shirts, and a slew of others, almost everyone has clothing with some form of Maple Leaf.  In my house we must have 4 pairs of the red mittens, 3 or 4 Olympic shirts, a couple team Canada shirts and hats, many Roots track suits etc. 
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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | 10  

There's been a lot of mind reading in this thread to about these boys wearing the shirts.   Just to repeat, he said he often wore it to school.   

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I find it unlikely that five kids, who all sit together during break, coincidentally decided to all wear US flag clothing on Cinco de Mayo. Five kids throughout the school wearing US flag clothing on the same day? Sure, I can see that. Five kids who all hang out together? I don't think it is inappropriate to suspect that it was coordinated.

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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | 11  

Well, if the kid always wore it, then he should not have been sent home.

Can the others say that?

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Posted: 21 May 2010 at 3:54pm | IP Logged | 12  

Randy,

I say we appoint Mike O'B an honorary Canadian and get him something nice to wear from the HBC.

Maybe we can get Al Cook and the rest of the north of the border gang to help put together a proper CARE package with some Smarties, a couple of Coffee Crisps, some Tim Hortons coffee, etc.



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