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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | 1
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Blue jeans were verboten in my grade school; of course it was a private school so my parents paid good money to strip me off my rights. But I went to a public high school and boys couldn't wear shorts, but girls could! And girls could (and did) wear those incredibly distracting half shirts. How's that for weird?
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | 2
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Either he was offended or he assumed Hispanic students would be offended. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`That's a wrong assumption - he was doing his job as administrator to keep a group of bullies from provoking other students. Not offending, provoking. I know that bitching about people being "offended" is a popular past-time - but you have to understand the difference between "offend" and other kinds of reactions. Like - for example - I'm not "offended" by this debate, I'm disgusted. I'm annoyed. But I'm not offended. I don't find it offensive. I find it pathetic that people are trying SO hard to avoid the point and misuse terms to fit their own agendas. But not offended.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 3
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By the way - I'm sure there was a list of banned clothes - don't wear hot pants, or whatever.Now - let's say you show up with a t-shirt with a giant cock on it. If it wasn't on the list, would the school be wrong to ask you to remove it?
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | 4
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No but that was on the list.
That's a wrong assumption - he was doing his job as administrator to keep a group of bullies from provoking other students.
**** Why would the American flag in America provoke anyone?*
*That's assuming they were doing nothing else.
Edited by Victor Rodgers on 20 May 2010 at 4:39pm
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6832
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:38pm | IP Logged | 5
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Look anyone that teaches or subs in Middle school or high schools quickly learn who the trouble makers are and what are the intent by some. This principle knows these kids far better than us arm chair quarterbacks. It is his job to avoid disruption and a possibly dangerous situation. These kids in the article I read, weren't just wearing a flag shirt, they were covered in flag clothes. Do those that find this outrageous know what lead up to this event? Did these kids have a history of disrespecting the Hispanic population?
But I do have a problem with having to push the english button on my ATM first.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14857
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | 6
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I've never been offended by the American flag, but I've been offended by how some people have used the American flag to pander. The term "flag-waver" has a negative connotation, and it is neither modern nor uniquely American. The principal certainly overreacted, but I can think of instances where the use of the flag can be offensive to Americans in America.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | 7
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Oh and I have a pair of those Canadian mittens, they are so toasty warm!!!!!
Now if we really want to get upset, I just think we need to address the throwing in of extra letters that Canadians seem to do on here, I mean seriously Al "Colour" ??????? this insanity needs to stop. ;0) heehee
I love my northern brothers BTW.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | 8
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Why would the American flag in America offend anyone?**Thats assuming they were doing nothing else. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See, now I know Victor not really serious about his stand here - that he's just having a laugh. I just explained, in greater detail than I should have to when chatting with adults, how there was no "offended" in this situation, and he relpies asking why they were offended. Pretty clever, Victor - for a second there I was really thinking you were taking this seriously, and I was all "Wow! That guy out-anti-establishments even me! Que cojones, hombre!" But as much as your faux stand on the issue impressed me, your sly "Ha ha, I was kidding all along" is even more impressive. Touche, sir!
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | 9
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Oh, but to answer the question - whereas I just noted that "offend" isn't part of the story at all with these prick bullies at some San Jose school - To answer Victor's question - "why would the American Flag in America offend anyone?", by which I can assume he means out side of this isolated incident where no one was offended, I will answer by saying: Well, let's start with the Native Americans - oh, don't worry, we'll get to our black brothers, whose culture, history and languages were stolen from them as they are the decendants of chattle slavery. And I'd go on from there.
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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | 10
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Mike O'B, You're looking for a specific quote from Assistant Principal Miquel Rodriquez, and unfortuantely he has chosen not to talk to the media. It has been reported from the students who witnessed the incident that that Rodriquez deemed the US flag shirts "incendery" and he felt that other students could by "offended" by them. However, these words have been put in Mr. Rodriquez's mouth by others. We do not have a first-hand quote, and must rely on the accuracy of those reporting. But consider: - More than 100 children at the school where wearing Mexican colours, for the most part clothes and even face paint. A handful of students wore US colours.
- Of the four students sent home for wearing US colours, two are Latino.
- Students who engaged in a protest march on May 6 said they wanted "people to know they're proud of their (Mexican) heritage and they believe wearing red, white and blue on Cinco de Mayo is disrespectful".
Mike, you don't like the word offended, but when someone says they consider an action is disrepectful. they appear to be taking offense. Is it disrespectful or incendary to wear American colours on Cinco de Mayo, in a school that is 40 percent hispanic? I can only hope that there is a piece of the story that's missing, some act of behaviour past or present by those students that gave rise to a concern that things could become incendary. (Footnote: I've always thought it was Cinqo de Mayo, but in searching for the newspapers I see it's more often spelled Cinco. I hope either is an acceptable spelling, but if Cinqo is wrong, sorry for using an incorrect spelling the last few posts.)
Edited by Matthew McCallum on 20 May 2010 at 5:29pm
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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | 11
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Jodi, Try as hard as I might, despite a decade and a half in this country I still write cheque and colour, labour, harbour et al. For work documents, I let the spell-checker edit them out. For personal correspondence, I indulge myself. And as for the rightness or wrongness of a particular spelling, I submit that the American spellings for labor, color and harbor are just very self-centered. After all, none of them include "u"!
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 May 2010 at 5:23pm | IP Logged | 12
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I hope either is an acceptable spelling, but if Cinqo is wrong, sorry for using an incorrect spelling the last few posts.--- Cinco de Mayo is literally 5th of May. If you drop the "o", you can claim you were speaking French. Le Cinq Mai!
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