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Arc Carlton
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Iron Man fought against Wonder Woman? I certainly didn't remember that.
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Frank Robert
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He blasted her from behind with his repulsors. One shot and she went down. She had other moments to shine, though. She manhandled Hercules and then beat him in arm wrestling -- according to Hercules, over and over again.
Iron Man also put down the Flash with his repulsors, by the way. Another single shot victory, made possible by a Motherbox upgrade, as I recall.
From what I've heard, a tremendous amount of pre-publication "balancing" goes into these inter-company crossovers. I think JB mentioned it once a few years back -- that the amount of bargaining and compromise when it comes to who beats whom in crossover fights is insane, though I could be mistaken.
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Robert White
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So we get three panels of the same drawing, only slightly
modified for the shield?
And, pardon me for asking, this is the GREATEST scene
you've ever seen reading comics?"Okay, this one's recent, so it's a bit early to call it
the "Greatest scene EVAR!", but it's the first thing that
popped into my mind while reading this thread."
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Wasn't trying to be a dick, honest! I just have a problem
with this type of image...*grumble*
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John Byrne
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Iron Man beat Wonder Woman!++ He blasted her from behind with his repulsors. •• Shooter once made me redraw a panel in which Clint Barton punched Crusher Creel in the back of the head, because "Heroes don't do that." How are the mighty fallen!!
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John Byrne
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Speaking of great scenes…
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James Revilla
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The fight of Iron Man, Wonder Man, Hercules and Namor against
Hulk. I still say "I wonder what the poor people are doing this season."The first time Lois walked into the Daily Planet. "Morning wage slaves,
what's news?" After finding Vision dismantled and they are leavng the complex, the
caption when Wanda turns around and destroys the building where
they were keeping him... Just to name a few.
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William McMahon
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Arc Carlton
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He blasted her from behind with his repulsors. One shot and she went down. She had other moments to shine, though. She manhandled Hercules and then beat him in arm wrestling -- according to Hercules, over and over again. _________________________ OK, I remember it now .
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Joakim Jahlmar
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JB wrote:
"My 'favorite', many times cited, example, being OHOTMU informing us that Fin Fang Foom is TELEPHATHIC -- because, you know, a 200 foot long TALKING dragon would be UNREALISTIC!"
Also, with a long history of fables, talking animals and the like, exactly how hard is it to sell the fantastic concept of talking "animals" (if we opt to view the dragon as such) within a fantastic fictional world.
The absurdity is staggering.
JB also wrote:
"It wasn't until the crossovers were changed from an occasional Special Event into an Ongoing Series that it became 'necessary' to 'explain' how such meetings could happen. And, I protested that at the time, too!"
Also, I can help but wonder... if DC's new approach is that any and all stories throughout the "multiverse" actually happened (or whatever the line is). Does this mean that all the intercompany-crossover stuff also "happened"? In the mainstream DCU?
The problems these people are generating for themselves by "explaining" things is a bit dumb founding.
Jeremiah wrote:
"It's odd what some readers will and will not suspend their disbelief for. After the first movie came out, someone asked me how Wolverine's healing factor works. I figured I'd keep it simple and remark how it's a mutation that lets him heal from most injuries. The person wanted a more detailed explanation so as to make the character more 'real' for them. Healing factor was a stretch, but a metal laced skeleton was plausible?"
I've often said that realism or verisimilitude has less to with what is actually real and more to do with conventions of portraying reality (in the first case) or ways of selling that something is real within an admittedly fictional setting (in the second case).
Interestingly enough, explaining too much can actually cause a piece to lose verisimilitude. After all, there are a lot of real life things we often know fairly little about yet have no problems believing. E.g. most people have a very limited understanding on how a aeroplane actually can fly, or how a computer really works, yet they have no difficulty buying the concepts and believing it. Why should, say Superman's flying, need any more in-depth explanation within a fantastic fictional world than that he can, defying the laws of gravity as it were. What more is needed?
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Mark Haslett
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James: "The first time Lois walked into the Daily Planet. "Morning wage slaves,
what's news?"
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Wow, James-- I'm surprised to find that on the list here because it's so small. But I love it too (I even own that page from Man of Steel #5) Lois in a nutshell.
When it comes to favorite JB scenes, the small ones are the ones that haunt me.
There's one JB scene that I think of almost every day, even though I can only picture it and do not know exactly where it's from. I believe it's Sue Richards, drinking coffee and talking to someone in the Baxter building. The other person says something that startles Sue, she spills coffee on her blouse, and she gets a sponge from the sink and wipes it off.
For some reason, that whole sequence KILLS me. I can't pick up a sponge without thinking of it.
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Steve Horn
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This reminds me of Brave and the Bold in the early '70s. When Wildcat or the Spectre teamed up with Batman, B&B editor Muray Boltinoff would have it as Wildcat and the Spectre lived on the same earth as Batman instead of having them on earth 2.
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Paulo Pereira
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One of my favorite sequences from EXCALIBUR:
 
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