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Joe Zhang
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"That is TWO "is toos" to your one "is not"!  Ha!  Take that! Do not make me say "IS too" again.  "

Nothing personal, but you're retarded.
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Micheal, I pretty much ended my love affair with any new Avengers comics right around those issues...such a shame too.
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I know what you mean, Carmen Bernardo .
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"That is TWO "is toos" to your one "is not"!  Ha!  Take that! Do not make me say "IS too" again.  "

Nothing personal, but you're retarded.
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Wow. You resort to name calling but think it is all right because you say, "nothing personal".  Apparently you are a complete and total moron with very little communication skills because that is completely and totally personal. Perhaps you feel like a big man because you get to hide behind the internet while you are safe in your mommy's basement. Personally, I am here for a bit of fun and revelry. I find the discussions interesting. But name calling because you can't back up a point...honestly?

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Brian Joseph Mayer
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Posted: 16 March 2010 at 11:45am | IP Logged | 5  

"I'm not sure where you're getting this weird notion or what it has to do with anything."

I have seen Marvel Adventure books at Target stores which exist outside of the direct market. Again, you asked me to account for the relative success of MA books which I might add has absolutely NOTHING to do with my point but I thought I would provide you the courtesy. So why don't you explain your point in asking the question in the first place, please. Perhaps I am unable to answer you because I don't know what you are looking for.

"Again, not for superhero comics or other certain forms of entertainment. "

And on this note we totally disagree. Certain comics will be more successful by targetting to a demographic just as certain TV shows are just as certain movies are. Again, any of these can offer wider appeal. But initial marketing makes al the difference.

For instance, I don't think Harry Potter (one of my favorite series btw) would have ben nearly as successful if it had initally been placed in Fantasy rather than being placed in the childrens section. On a similar note, I don'tthink Christopher Moore would be as successful had he been placed in Fantasy rather than in Fiction. Finally, I think Neil Gaiman needed to be placed in the fantasy section rather than fiction because of his built in target market.

Targetting to a market is essential for any organization with a desire to grow. Marvel's publishing has grown by mainly (not exclusively) targetting a young adult market that has the greatest amount of discretionary income over the past ten years.

 

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 BJM wrote:
I have seen Marvel Adventure books at Target stores which exist outside of the direct market. Again, you asked me to account for the relative success of MA books which I might add has absolutely NOTHING to do with my point but I thought I would provide you the courtesy. So why don't you explain your point in asking the question in the first place, please. Perhaps I am unable to answer you because I don't know what you are looking for.

You said comics are now too expensive for the 5-14 year-old group, so the companies now have to target the group with money. That is what prompted my question about Marvel Adventures. How does that not fit into your point?


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Certain comics will be more successful by targetting to a demographic just as certain TV shows are just as certain movies are. Again, any of these can offer wider appeal. But initial marketing makes al the difference.

Certain comics, yes. Not superhero comics, generally. You want to cast the nets far and wide with those.


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For instance, I don't think Harry Potter (one of my favorite series btw) would have ben nearly as successful if it had initally been placed in Fantasy rather than being placed in the childrens section.

It is largely a children's series; at least it started as one, though it has matured along the way.
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Arc Carlton
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Harry Potter would have been successful in any scenario...
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 Arc, per your response to my Evangelion reply:

   Having had a few years to digest what was said about Anno's Evangelion series, it dawned on me that the story as it was told would've stood well had it been left alone.  Unfortunately, they canceled the series more than halfway through and Anno had come up with two or three different feature films that wrapped it up in a way he thought was appropriate.  This story was a bittersweet tragedy about a boy from a troubled family caught up in events far beyond his comprehension, no matter how Anno would've concluded it.

   End of Evangelion was more or less hooted because everyone was expecting a happy ending.  Yet it had precendents: the closing episode of one series that I loved (Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam) has its young protagonist win his last battle against his final adversary, only to be serverely traumatized and reduced to an invalid mental state by the extent of his injuries.  Tragedy has its place.

   I think a lot of the fan reactions were based upon respective fan groups' cultural experience.  Many of the western Evangelion fans were influenced by Christian theological themes which seemed to be echoed in Anno's story without fully comprehending where those themes originated.  You can also factor in the presumption that a story might have a happy ending, if not bittersweet (as I've come to expect in most anime experiences).

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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 5:55am | IP Logged | 9  

I think those people who were expecting a happier ending may find it in the new Eva movie series - movie Shinji seems to be acting closer to the way he does in Super Robot Wars games which always give Evangelion a happy ending (Anno himself has provided some of the scenarios). SRW Alpha 3 is particularly memorable, with Shinji calling out Gendo for running away into the safety of Instrumentality in the face of an approaching apocalypse.


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Arc Carlton
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 10  

Carmen : I would be fine with a happy or unhappy ending. 

I haven't seen the new NGE movie, though.

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