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Joe Zhang
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"I think the DM's weakness is that it's monopolised by a an overall demand that is too homogenic"


One of these Wednesdays no one is going to show to the LCS. The remaining fans are all so similar in background, tastes, thinking, that they're all going to quit at the exactly the same time for exactly the same reasons. So there's not going to be any warning in the sales figures; things will be chugging along and then *poof*, no more comic industry.
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Why does that matter? - I am not sure which point of mine you were asking about since you have two different items quoted.

Why does MA existing outside the DM matter (not that it does anyway, exactly).


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Why does it matter who pays for them? - It is only an observational point going back to my main point that comics are two expensive for 8-14 year olds and it makes more business sense to go after a 16-24 year old market.

It makes more sense to go for as broad a base as possible. If the product is good, people will buy it. You don't go for the narrower (and shrinking) demographic.


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And do you think kids paid for them before? - Are you seriously asking this?

Yes, but perhaps I should clarify: do you think only kids paid for them? Sure, some, like William and Ted, did yard work or whatever to get the cash, but don't you think many, if not most, had allowances?


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But, these companies are doing the sound thing by primarily targeting a demographic that has the greatest purchasing power.

Targeting a demographic is never a sound thing, not in regards to comic books.
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My mom and grandma used to pick up comics for me from the corner store every once in a while. They knew I liked Spider-Man, but every now and again they'd flip through a book and bring it home if they thought I'd like it. Keep in mind, I was probably 3-6 years old during this time. 

Imagine a single mother or a grandmother opening a comic with Spider-Man, Captain America, etc on the cover and seeing that image of the Blob eating the Wasp. Imagine those same two people opening a comic with Batgirl and Catwoman and Batman on the cover, only to find a two page spread of a nude Batgirl vs. a nude Catwoman in the middle of an all-nude orgy. 

Do you think those comics are leaving the store and coming home to a 4 year old kid so he can learn to read?
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'Wonderdog' ate 'Marvin' and put 'Wendy' in a coma. In a book with a "happy" cover. For a lame Wondergirl II plot.

Nuff said.

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It's rather unfortunate when kids have to be steered away from the superhero comics due to the content. It's an absurd dichotomy, to have eviscerations occurring in-panel and have the gall to say that you're looking out for the well-being of a younger audience by banning characters smoking.

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Is that pic by Dale Keown?
If it is, didn't his work start out looking a lot like John Byrne's?
I guess he must have just looked at the pictures and not understood the stories Chief...

Oh looking at it again it might be by Finch or one of his clones.


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Finch (who is himself a Jim Lee clone) sounds about right.
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"'Exactly why they are going after the 16 to 24 year olds instead of going for us.'
But that's not what they're doing. "

Um, ok.  Is this where I say it IS what they are doing?  Because I bet you are going to come back and say, "is not."  It may be especially damaging to my argument if you mention the semester of business school you attended. So I am going to beat you to the bunch and say, "IS too". That is TWO "is toos" to your one "is not"!  Ha!  Take that! Do not make me say "IS too" again.  

"Why does MA existing outside the DM matter (not that it does anyway, exactly)."

If it is the only comic book to be found at Target it is going to be the only comic book bought at Target.

"It makes more sense to go for as broad a base as possible. If the product is good, people will buy it. You don't go for the narrower (and shrinking) demographic."

The 16 - 24 demographic is a growing renewable demographic. And, if you market too broad, you are dilluting your potential. If I have a group made up of three 20-year olds it is going to be easier and faster to get a 4th 20-year old to join them than it will be to get a 40-year old to join them. I am not saying it is not possible to get the other demographics to join them. I am saying that right now they need to go for speed.

"don't you think many, if not most, had allowances?"

Thank you for the clarity. I am no longer sure what my exact point was in regards to who paid for subscriptions of Marvel Adventures now. Sorry.  I think it was something to the point of requiring adult participation in the process as a kid can't just stuff cash in an envelope and send it off regardless of what Soupy Sales sugests.

"Targeting a demographic is never a sound thing, not in regards to comic books."

I disagree. Targetting for a demograhic is always a sound thing. That doesn't mean something can't have wide appeal. But you want to ensure that those most likely to buy are product are more likely to buy yours than a competitors. Someone between the ages of 16 and 24 is more likely to buy a comic for the first time than any other age demographic. One ofthe main reasons for that increased likelihood is because they have the greatest amount of disposable income. If you are Marvel, you want to make sure that comic book is a Marvel comic and not a DC, Image, IWD, or Dark Horse comic. So, you want to do what you can to appeal to the likes and interests of those in that group.

 

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"Imagine those same two people opening a comic with Batgirl and Catwoman and Batman on the cover, only to find a two page spread of a nude Batgirl vs. a nude Catwoman in the middle of an all-nude orgy. 

Do you think those comics are leaving the store and coming home to a 4 year old kid so he can learn to read?"
 
Nope, but I imagine several teenagers being sure to grab a copy.
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Nope, but I imagine several teenagers being sure to grab a copy.

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Multiple copies! After each time they read one those pages wouldn't be available again since they'd be glued together. 

Not my point, though. Not my point at all. 
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Posted: 15 March 2010 at 12:43pm | IP Logged | 11  

I always thought of Finch as more of a Silvestri clone.
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"Why does MA existing outside the DM matter (not that it does anyway, exactly)."- If it is the only comic book to be found at Target it is going to be the only comic book bought at Target.

I'm not sure where you're getting this weird notion or what it has to do with anything.

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I disagree. Targetting for a demograhic is always a sound thing.

Again, not for superhero comics or other certain forms of entertainment. Do you think, for example, that Pixar would be as wildly successful if they made their movies just for people 10 years old or younger?


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