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Brian Joseph Mayer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 December 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 6:31pm | IP Logged | 1
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"How do you account for the (relative) success of Marvel Adventures?" I didn't say kids don't like comics. I just suggested that the group older is going to have more money and more purcahsing power. And, as was also mentioned, Marvel Adventures exists outside of the direct market. It has a great subscription rate, but it isn't the 10 year old getting out his checkbook to order, it is the parents. They are in Target stores. They are in more places. And it is awsome. But, Marvel exists to make money, so they have a responsibility to shareholders to go after groups that will offer the greatest profit.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | 2
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The value of a stockholder's investment is not just predicated on the profits of the next quarter, but on the prospects of all future quarters, indefinitely. This is what they teach in business school (which I briefly attended before dropping out.)
Marvel neglected the young audience probably because their main stockholders were hoping to sell the company to a larger company like Disney soon. Now it's up to Disney to either fix Marvel publishing or shutter it altogether, because there's no way a comic book company can continue with a clientele of forty, fifty year old men.
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Paul Kimball Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 2198
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | 3
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"I" "like" to use "quotations"
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Keith Thomas Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | 4
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Marvel neglected the young audience probably because their main stockholders were hoping to sell the company to a larger company like Disney soon. Now it's up to Disney to either fix Marvel publishing or shutter it altogether, because there's no way a comic book company can continue with a clientele of forty, fifty year old men.
From that article I posted in "making a billion off Marvel" they didn't think there was anything wrong with the publishing part of Marvel and thought it was one of the most profitable publishers there was. For what Disney paid they must have agreed.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | 5
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Marvel Publishing's long term profitability is dead, unless they manage to turn the ship around before we fans turn into senior citizens. Disney is paying for the characters.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 13 March 2010 at 8:31pm
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Conner Dinkins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 March 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 832
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | 6
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This why I find myself more and more turning to the reprints of the old stuff and ignoring the new, it's a shame really. It's like all those good old heroes died.
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Rick Whiting Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 11:59pm | IP Logged | 7
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But, the 16 to 24 still has more disposable income than most other demographics.That is also the largest group I see standing around longest in our stores here, including one I worked at a handful of years ago. Per person, they may not purchase as much as the older customers, but there are still more of them. ___________________________________ Most of the 16 to 24 year old's who are reading comics, started reading comics between the ages of 5 and 14.
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 2:43am | IP Logged | 8
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Like I've said before, Disney should use Marvel to publish their vast library of all ages and children's comics in America(everything ever produced in Europe and Latin America under Disney licenses is essentially free inventory (except translation costs) for an American Disney Licensee). They should also take a few pointers from Disney Italia, who have produced a lot of new and popular /Non Duck-or-Mouse/ series for all-ages/ Young Adults. And who also have their own, specially designed education programs to develop and train good artists and writers for their publishing house. There's lot of great things that can be done with the properties, but they require editorial vision and leadership.
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Carmen Bernardo Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 5:06am | IP Logged | 9
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Unfortunately, I'm not one of those holding my breath for that change any time soon...
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Brian Joseph Mayer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 December 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 9:30am | IP Logged | 10
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"Most of the 16 to 24 year old's who are reading comics, started reading comics between the ages of 5 and 14" Many,I'm not disputing this at all. But the 8 to 14 year olds don't buy as much as the 16 to 24 group. The 8 to 14 can't but as much as the 16 to 24 demographic. This group has on average annual discretionary spend of $13,000. And this is spread across the year, not just peak seasons. Someone made the bold statement that Marvel's long term publishing profitability is dead. Ok. But they have had over 10 years of growth profit by going after this group. That is the group that buys into fad and shock value more than any other.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 10:02am | IP Logged | 11
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"But they have had over 10 years of growth profit by going after this group."
Sure. But this group, a smattering of younger Baby Boomers and older Gen X'ers, are getting old. We have mortgages and kids to support. Some of us have kids in college. Some of us are trying to save for retirement. We're getting health problems we never expected to have. And our professional lives, which we're rightly proud of, didn't turn out quite as successful or secure as we thought. We're looking at the thousands we've spent on comics and comic merchandise and thinking I've paid for another car that I can't drive.
Yes, we've been talking for years and years about the end being nigh. Well, we're past that now; the end of the road is here.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 14 March 2010 at 10:05am
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Brian Joseph Mayer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 10:09am | IP Logged | 12
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Exactly why they are going after the 16 to 24 year olds instead of going for us.
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